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#322964 - 02/17/07 09:51 AM The slippery slope begins! New era fighting?
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Looks like Kimo is headlining a new fight organization that combines "the raw brutality of UFC with the entertainment value of WWE."



http://www.newerafighting.com/

Not sure I like where this is going......
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#322965 - 02/17/07 09:59 AM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: MattJ]
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oh dear, i don't think this will catch on to much some how
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#322966 - 02/17/07 05:01 PM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: MattJ]
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I watched the Kimo vs. Bam Bam Bigelo fight they had on this site. Kimo sure liked holding the fence to keep his position. Bam Bam is suppose to be a very strong guy but unless you are training MMA all of the time then you can't rely on your professional wrestling skills; though I take nothing away from these guys as they are some of the most incredible athletes there are. They work through a lot of pain as they no if they disappear from the viewer's eyes they may be history.

I'm not sure if Kimo's attempts to start something like this will last. Kind of like WWE's XFL; neat concept but there is already better stuff out there.
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#322967 - 02/17/07 09:44 PM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: Dereck]
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I think this promotion will go no place, in spite of a combination of worked storylines and shoots. Remember, MMA is essentially pro wrestling with shoot fights. As much as MMA purists can't stand to hear it, it's the truth.

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#322968 - 02/17/07 10:43 PM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: SEAL]
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SO will Joe Son be the thong match champion?

But in all seriousness, this will not even get as far as the WWE's football league.
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#322969 - 02/18/07 08:11 AM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: SEAL]
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Remember, MMA is essentially pro wrestling with shoot fights. As much as MMA purists can't stand to hear it, it's the truth.






This statement is SO ridiculous, I cant believe I am actually wasting my time responding to it...

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#322970 - 02/18/07 10:39 AM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: SEAL]
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Remember, MMA is essentially pro wrestling with shoot fights. As much as MMA purists can't stand to hear it, it's the truth.




Eh?

Can you clarify that? I'm not sure what you are talking about there.
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#322971 - 02/18/07 12:05 PM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: MattJ]
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As far as Galen, you fit the MMA purist archetype like a glove.

Anyway, here's what I mean. Let's take the Frank Shamrock/Renzo Gracie fight. Now I have some bias toward Renzo b/c of who I train with and certainly didn't like the outcome of the fight. But most of the mma messaging boards were flooded with hatred for Frank and showing direspect and such. What these mma purists don't understand is Frank is just selling himself and selling a rematch. In Pro wrestling, the best characters get over by being themselves, only turned way up. That's exactly what Frank does. When he has a camera on him, he knows he has to be in sell mode. This is called working the fans.

The basic jist of a match is you take two guys and each one gives reasons why he is the superior combatant. So, they are selling themselves. These two guys may have some history together or dislike one another on some or all levels (i.e. Tito/Ken), which only further helps sell the match. In the end, it's about building up a match and making casual fans care enough to plunk down money to see these two people fight because they care about the outcome. I could be talking about pro wrestling or mma here because the idea and concepts of selling a match is the same. The biggest difference is pro wrestling has controlled outcomes and control of all variables, so it should be easier to get their guys over, whereas UFC can't gurantee "their" guy will beat his opponent. But a large quantity of the wrestling promoters are moronic nowadays and make it more complicated than it really is. In fact, the way UFC promotes is exactly the way pro wrestling promoted in the 70s, which is kind of erie.

There are storylines and character development and personalities in all real sports. But just about all of it is fabricated in pro wrestling. Make sense?

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#322972 - 02/18/07 12:57 PM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: SEAL]
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Wow, SEAL.

I'll leave Galen to discuss his "MMA archetype", LOL.

But you are indeed confusing the sport of MMA with the style of MMA training. There is no more hype or salesmanship in MMA training than there is in any other kind of martial arts.
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#322973 - 02/18/07 01:25 PM Re: The slippery slope begins! New era fighting? [Re: MattJ]
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No, no, you misunderstand my friend. I'm not comparing MMA training to pro wrestling training. I'm comparing the sport of MMA to the fake sport of pro wrestling. I could have easily compared MMA to boxing or boxing to pro wrestling or whatever.

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