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#321219 - 02/08/07 05:10 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
Chen Zen Offline
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It depends on your relation to the opponent. If he has to reach to get the hook try a quick backstep and pak sao. If you are inside, try the straight blast or if its too late, curl the shoulder upwards to absorb it.
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#321220 - 02/09/07 06:18 AM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
JKogas Offline

Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
Loc: North Carolina
If you're using Bil Sao to deal with hook punches and you feel like they're still getting around, the answer probably lies in the hips. Try changing the angle/facing of your hips and see what happens.

I used to do Wing Chun. That's been 12 years ago. One thing I don't like about it is how the elbows tend to move away from the body. I don't care WHAT art you study, your elbows moving away from your body is never a good thing.

Bong Sao in wing chun is one small example. The kali hubud stuff has the arms and elbows moving away. That's ALL bad stuff and should be thrown out of your arsenals.


#321221 - 02/09/07 10:01 AM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: JKogas]
ShikataGaNai Offline

Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 1163
Loc: Bellingham, WA
Hmm, agreed and disagreed. As much as I hate to quote Ip Man, he did say "the bong sao never forms", and that's pretty much an integral point most WC people miss - if used as a transition, bong can be very effective. Just don't stick it. I've actually used bong/lap chop somewhat effectively from a dominated position in the mount (admittedly against mediocre grapplers) Positioning of the rear guard hand is paramount with the bong as well. Between the sternum and forearm and halfway between the hand and elbow.
I don't know, I've used it effectively in a few situations and am quite happy with it. Another thing bong does fantastically - elbows. In fact, that's about the only SD application of it IMO. Everybody these days thinks they can flatten anyone out with an elbow... uh-uh sunshine

#321222 - 02/09/07 12:15 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
Tezza Offline

Registered: 07/05/05
Posts: 775
Loc: Kent, U.K.
Hi ShikataGaNai long time no speak.

Well from my experience we do a lot of SD training as you put it. I am of the WT organisation. Grandmaster K.Kernspect brought in something called Blitz Defence, which is basically a modern way of applying wingtsun movements to be used in a modern street conflict if you like.
If you can get hold of it try getting a book called Blitz Defence, it covers basic moves and shows how techniques can be used.

In blitz defence we use various scenarios like particular orthodox stances etc. Here are some of the basic techniques used in blitz defence.

Hope this helps mate.
Train Hard Tez WT Central

#321223 - 02/09/07 12:51 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: Tezza]
ShikataGaNai Offline

Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 1163
Loc: Bellingham, WA
Good hearing from you again, Tez.

Those videos were very cool - the 'stick defense' reminded me a lot of kali. I think the only difference I would prefer in executing it though would be to bil first, lop second, instead of going for a grab like the guy did.

Do you guys drill these at your school?

#321224 - 02/09/07 01:00 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
Tezza Offline

Registered: 07/05/05
Posts: 775
Loc: Kent, U.K.
Yeah we do its part of our curriculum. To be honest I have used a few in real situations and they work fine for me.
The great thing about it in class though is once you do the basic entry you can do what you like and what feels natural and all of it is basic wingtsun movements/techniques and they work very well.
Train Hard Tez WT Central

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