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#321209 - 02/08/07 03:52 PM Wing Chun SD
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I haven't been on these forums much in a while - good to see the place is still the best MA discussion board around!

I got a question for the chunners, ex-chunners and would be chunners here (and anyone with chun training knowledge).
How much of your curriculum covers (or covered) Wing Chun SD?
One of the major complaints I hear from haters of the system is that there isn't enough 'street' applicable training involved in their classes. This is of course only second to the 'not enough/any full contact' complaint, which my school thankfully does NOT lack in.
The reason I ask is because I really believe the next generation of WC instructors has great potential to step up and make the art much more credible again. I think if this bridge could be built, and the rigid adherence to abstract 'tradition' could be somewhat dissolved, WC would find itself in a much more positive position within the modern martial arts community.
I love this art, and these things really matter to me.
Also, if you don't get much SD in your training, would you benefit from having more? Do you think it would be a welcome addition to chi sao and sparring?

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#321210 - 02/08/07 04:03 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Im an ex Wing Chunner, as you call it. My good friend was taught by William Cheung, and I was taught by my friend. His WC was very good and very street applicable. The only real gripe that I had with it was lack of footwork.
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#321211 - 02/08/07 04:09 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: Chen Zen]
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Ah, that's another point of major complaint with most people. This I really don't understand - the footwork we learn at my school is very simple, yet dynamic and anything BUT static which most people think it is. After I got the hang of it, I liked it more than boxing footwork - it seems more like what FMA types do, which I had a couple years of as well.
I assume you would practice the SD aspects outside of the chi sao context?

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#321212 - 02/08/07 04:14 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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I never studied any part of WC beyond the ChiSao aspect. However, I have some fairly "live" training in that, and found it very useful for learning sensitivity for close range striking.
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#321213 - 02/08/07 04:16 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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You assume correctly. As for the footwork, it was basically the motto that a WC never moves backwards, he either moves forward, either straight or by angle, or he holds his ground. Many times I found myself flat footed and planted, and thats not something I enjoy. I also felt like I was often waiting on the opponent. I did enjoy my wing Chun though, and it was through WC that I later came across JKD.
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#321214 - 02/08/07 04:25 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: Chen Zen]
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Many times I found myself flat footed and planted, and thats not something I enjoy. I also felt like I was often waiting on the opponent. I did enjoy my wing Chun though, and it was through WC that I later came across JKD.




Interesting - I've now gone FROM JKD to WC. Guess I felt like I needed to declare a major (plus, I do like some of the more esoteric/energistic aspects of it)
I hear you on the 'waiting for the opponent' thing though. My sifu actually discourages this. If he sees two people holding a position for too long in chi sao, he'll bark "will one of you just initiate a bloody attack already?!"
It's funny, because the straight punch can be very fast and it seems very well suited to surprising an opponent.

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#321215 - 02/08/07 04:33 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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It definately has a more traditional flavor than JKD. When I still practiced WC, I dint want to be the first to attack and if i did it was often the straight, or a kick, because of the lack of movement on the part of the opponent.
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#321216 - 02/08/07 04:35 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: Chen Zen]
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Did you ever try it out on another style? Full contact?

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#321217 - 02/08/07 04:41 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Sure. Ive always tried to have a variety of Martial Artists around me that I train with. One ting I noticed about it in particular was that it was hard to gain ground against a kick heavy system like TKD or Muay Thai. Once inside of kicking range it became easier to deal with the opponents. From inside it was very effective for me. From just beyond punch range, it still served well for me but from kicking range it seemed to come apart and I would be forced to resort to non WC tactics. But, in combat, you arent limited by style so I guess it wouldnt be much of a problem.
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#321218 - 02/08/07 04:55 PM Re: Wing Chun SD [Re: Chen Zen]
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I haven't found a solid answer to hook punches in WC, that's my biggest complaint. They seem to easily go around bil sao and bong sao/kwun sao don't position quite right. Since the hook is a well known attack in the kingdom of Streetthuggia, are there any techniques or methods that effectively prevent the hook from connecting?

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