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#321044 - 02/08/07 01:27 PM Best way to restrain someone?
Seraph189 Offline
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Alright guys, what would be some good ways to restrain someone safely and securely, without using tools (handcuffs) Say you break up an altercation and need to hold someone in place until the police arrive, without anything drastic (breaking anything, or undue violence) whats the best way to keep em still?

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#321045 - 02/08/07 01:50 PM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: Seraph189]
hedkikr Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
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I taught tactical control & restraint techniques for over 10 yrs so I hope that you don't mind me telling you that there are so many variables, I can't answer your question.

First thing however is to not be alone. If you can get back-up EVERYONE will be safer. If not, the incedent could escalate into a 1-on-1 fight.

However I can throw a coulpe of suggestions your way...
> Don't approach from the direct front - come from behind or an oblique angle

> If you're bigger & heavier, you could use your weight against their strength (it can be done w/ equal sized people but that's where technique comes in).

> Don't immediately go for a headlock - anything applied above the shoulders can result in serious & even fatal consequences. Definately don't use amature RNC!! You're not in the UFC!!

By all means, attempt to resolve the situation w/o use of hands-on action. Try humor, agreement, offer them a cigarette - anything to defuse the situation. If the aggression is against you, nothing wrong w/ leaving, admitting fault (unless a legal issue complicates the situation), calling for help.

That's about all I can offer in a forum.

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#321046 - 02/08/07 03:51 PM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: Seraph189]
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I've heard of reports of hold downs like Kesa Gatame working in such situations. It's relatively difficult to control someone who is determined and standing up on their feet. Shoulder locks and other such joint locks can work but with the risk of the person being controlled injuring themselves by struggling. If you must stay standing, there's always the full/half nelson hold... although it is fairly easy to escape.

In order to do something like this you should probably be a very experienced and well practiced grappling martial artist. Note that if you are in law enforcement, there are procedures which you must follow and not deviate from.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (02/08/07 03:54 PM)
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#321047 - 02/08/07 03:54 PM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: hedkikr]
Chen Zen Offline
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Hedkikr is right, there are way too many variables to account for. All you could hope to gain here are a just a few of hundreds of options available. With that said I'll give my thoughts.

IMO, any time you seek to control or restrain someone this must be done quickly and with minimal effort on your part. This is going to require some sort of set up technique so that you can gain ground on your opponent while keeping him busy. This is often achieved by a strike at the opponent, then making the restraint. For me this might be Jab, Cross, double leg takedown. Another might be Jab, Cross, RNC. Just an example. You can never tell. I think that the ground can help you greatly to restrain someone if you know what you're doing and so can choking someone out. But you have to have a good delivery system. You have to be able to work your angles, footwork and timing to get the proper response from the opponent.
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#321048 - 02/08/07 04:13 PM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: Seraph189]
Unsu Offline
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Quote:

Alright guys, what would be some good ways to restrain someone safely and securely, without using tools (handcuffs) Say you break up an altercation and need to hold someone in place until the police arrive, without anything drastic (breaking anything, or undue violence) whats the best way to keep em still?




Taser works well. You said handcuffs you didn't mention lassos, duct tape or stun-guns! You could also bear hug them from the rear ever-so-lovingly...

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#321049 - 02/08/07 04:25 PM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: Unsu]
Chen Zen Offline
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Oh man thats the funniest post you've ever made. Thats great.
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#321050 - 02/09/07 11:23 AM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: Chen Zen]
Blackrainbow Offline
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Registered: 09/14/06
Posts: 220
Loc: Brandon Fl.USA
Hedkikr nailed it right on. I worked in a state mental facility in Ohio and also taught restraint techniques to staff. Just way too many variables.
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#321051 - 02/09/07 12:52 PM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: Unsu]
swseibukan Offline
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Registered: 11/12/05
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Loc: Lakewood, Colorado
Kinda like the combination of Bear spray and Taser myself. Actually used the duct tape on a guy that got out of hand at a warehouse I was working at. No LEO involved just left him taped to the pallet racks until he calmed down.
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#321052 - 02/09/07 01:34 PM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: swseibukan]
Seraph189 Offline
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Registered: 02/07/07
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Thanks for the tips guys, let me clarify my question. I was assuming that the person being restrained had all ready been dealt with, taken down, etc. I was looking for what to do after you have them subdued and you need to keep them around. IE you stop someone beating someone else, things end up violent, you take them down, and you want to keep them around until the police/authorities show up.

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#321053 - 02/09/07 03:36 PM Re: Best way to restrain someone? [Re: Seraph189]
hedkikr Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
Posts: 2827
Loc: Southern California, USA
Some states have "Citizen's Arrest" but in most cases, there must be a LEO present & the civilian makes the declaration that the subject is under C.A. The LEO then takes custody of the subject.

However, (& this is a big HOWEVER) restraining someone under certain conditions, can be & have been considered Kidnapping. Kidnapping is often defined as preventing a person from leaving by either force or threat of force. It isn't simply throwing someone in the back of a panel van & driving away.

Security guards have the ability to restrain or prevent a suspect from leaving based on probable cause. My advice to you is to ask your local LEO as to what you can do/what you can't do (legally). I'd hate to hear that you got arrested for Kidnapping because you restrained the guy who was ripping you off (or whatever).

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