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#320478 - 02/22/07 12:41 AM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: tailiugug]
ashe_higgs Offline
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sorry to disagree, but if you want any kind of real skill, the modern competition stuff is a waste of time.
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#320479 - 02/23/07 08:57 PM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: ashe_higgs]
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well we all are intitled to our opinions. but the standardized forms are all traditional tech. in differnt sequence. as for REAL SKILL that comes from the gong fa's (sectrets) there are 108 of them. and push hands. it doesn't matter what form you train if your not training push hands your REAL SKILL will never fully develope. for my self i use the standardized form as a training / seperation tool once they are learned it is very easy to go on to any of older forms. as for the gong fa's in our lineage they are only for deciples not for regular student.
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#320480 - 02/24/07 01:23 AM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: tailiugug]
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...as for the gong fa's in our lineage they are only for deciples not for regular student.




How does a 'regular student' becomes a 'disciple' in your lineage?
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#320481 - 02/24/07 11:22 AM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: tailiugug]
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secrets.

i smell a troll...
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#320482 - 02/24/07 12:07 PM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: ashe_higgs]
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May or may not be.

Secrets in the CMA is normally called 'Xin Fa' ("heart method", meaning the "essence")

"Gong Fa" simply means loosely "Training Method"
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#320483 - 02/24/07 02:58 PM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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essence is a good word. i would have said "philosophy, concepts and principles" but essence is a nice little word to sum it all up.
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#320484 - 02/25/07 10:01 PM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: ashe_higgs]
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well its not a matter of time , my tai chi instructor (Fu Shu Li)teaches over 500 student and has only 26 diciples (in the usa) not sure what he has back home on o-mei mnt. and by the way he teaches the essense to all students and over a long period of time and constant training is enough to master the art. the gong fa's or sectrets speed up the process. not all students are cut out or ready for the training that is required to be a diciple but when a diciple completes thier traning we receive 6th generation (yang style) rights. as far as the spelling or translation of secrets I may have miss spelled. I am a gung fu guy not a language specialist. I can tell you this i only have 31 years of gung fu training in and hope to get another 40 and i will & can back up any of my posts so you might think twise about calling me a troll.
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#320485 - 02/26/07 01:58 AM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: tailiugug]
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your teacher lives/operates out of omei but teaches yang style?
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#320486 - 02/27/07 02:16 PM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: ashe_higgs]
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steve cotter studied with hong, xu ? and is well known as being a full contact bad ass but he doesn't do xingyi much anymore. mike patterson also studied with hong, but i thought his stuff looked terrible so i wouldn't reccomend him.




Excuse me. Your "facts" are incorrect.

Steve Cotter was my number one student for fourteen years until our split in the mid 90's. He learned all of his XingYi through me, not through Hsu Hong Chi (Xu Hong Ji) who was my teacher.

So it is interesting that you seem to think the student is better than the teacher. Kind of shows exactly how ignorant you are, don't you think?

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#320487 - 02/28/07 01:18 AM Re: Taiji - Trad vs Modern [Re: MikePatterson]
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mr. patterson,

i'm not aware of all the history behind your split, but i gather that it was sour. your entitled to keep that private, but it is my understanding that mr. cotter generally doesn't mention your name and instead mentions the late mr. xu. for that reason.

i should have been more explicit to say that mr. cotter trained under the lineage of mr. xu.

i've never seen any of mr. cotters xingyi, and i only said that his reputation was that of a bad ass.

i have however seen some of your videos, and though i have also heard that you were a full contact champion as well, being a good fighter is not the same as having good xingyi.

some of my training partners come from the lineage of kenny gong's shing yi, so i am familiar with it methods, and i did not care for your videos.

the gentleman in question was asking for advice and i simply offered my opinion, which is after all, just that. only my opinion.

i do apologize for offending you, i should have chosen my words better.


Edited by ashe_higgs (02/28/07 01:19 AM)
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