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#319113 - 01/29/07 02:41 PM Laws for SD
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I was told by an TKD instructor and security expert that the law is (In Oregon anyway and Florida) that if you feel that you or your loved ones are in immediate physical danger that you can react with extreme deadly force so long as oyu do a good job articulating why oyu felt threatened. Is that true?
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#319114 - 01/30/07 09:07 AM Re: Laws for SD [Re: Stormdragon]
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Here in Pa it is not just "physical danger" But REASONABLE belief that you or a loved one is in IMMEDIATE DANGER OF DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY.

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#319115 - 01/30/07 11:18 PM Re: Laws for SD [Re: Glockmeister]
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That is the standard in Florida as well. It used to read that you had an obligation to retreat (run away) unless it was impossible or impractical. Now, if you have the means to protect yourself from a deadly force threat, you do not have to run until you get cornered. You can meet deadly force with deadly force.

It was always like that anyway once it got into the courts, but they spelled it out last year or the year before in the "Stand your ground" law. ACLU tree huggers were coming unglued and predicting mayhem in the streets with shootouts on every corner.

Never happened.
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#319116 - 01/31/07 09:17 PM Re: Laws for SD [Re: Fletch1]
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Thanks for the confirmation.
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#319117 - 03/21/07 03:32 PM Re: Laws for SD [Re: Stormdragon]
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In MS we can shoot you the moment you touch our property line. No explanations needed. Call a meatwagon.
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#319118 - 03/29/07 08:44 PM Re: Laws for SD [Re: Chen Zen]
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Here in Texas, a law was just passed (it will be in effect Sept. 1) that we can defend our home with deadly force. Do I expect crime rate to fall? No, but I do think that more people won't hesitate to shoot first and ask questions later. I'd like to know the specifics on the new law. Any ideas on how to find something like that out?

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#319119 - 04/01/07 01:15 PM Re: Laws for SD [Re: clmibb]
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yes. you would look along the lines of Texas/selfdefenselaws.gov. Or something like that. Each state has a .gov website that you can find those types of things.
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#319120 - 04/01/07 02:32 PM Re: Laws for SD [Re: Chen Zen]
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Thanks Chen I'll look those up one day when I get bored.

Casey
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#319121 - 06/09/07 03:29 PM Re: Laws for SD [Re: clmibb]
danny81 Offline
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what are the laws of new jersey? im guessing since it is liberal it would be more on the criminals side

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#319122 - 06/10/07 07:44 AM Re: Laws for SD [Re: danny81]
kman Offline
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Registered: 05/15/03
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Loc: minnesota
Stormdragon,
The world is full of self appointed experts in everything imagineable. Personally if I heard the words "extreme deadly force" spoken as an option I'd distance myself from the source. On the other hand, if I heard something to the effect of reasonable and proportionate to the threat, I'd be inclined to listen. The letter of the law varies a bit from one jurisdiction to another but it's overall very similar. The state reserves the "right" to use force. It forgives a citizen for it's use under certain circumstances. Provided you can articulate the threat and subject to "the reasonable man doctrine". Chances are very good that in your jurisdiction you can use enough force to nuetralize a threat. That is, to cause someone to cease the action that threatens you. If he dies in the process that's unfortunate. Nowhere in any statutes will you read that you have the "right" or permission to kill another human being. My home state of Arizona recognizes two types of force. Physical force, and Deadly physical force. Deadly physical force is defined as that level of force likely to cause death or serious bodily injury. The case law defintion of serious bodily injury is an injury from which one would likey require a prolonged period of recovery. All other force from an unwelcome touch on up is "physical force".
If you notice that the law leaves things somewhat less than crystal clear, welcome to the club. Use of force is a highly uncertain game. Lethal force intitute guru Massad Ayoob recomends that a citizen carrying a weapon have an extra million dollars of liability insurance and have had a sitdown with a lawyer that you can call at home, any hour of the day or night. He also recomends that you carry a weapon and ammunition of similar type to the local police and have an escalation of force plan that mirrors law enforcement. Why? because theirs is successful and has already been extensivley litigated and therefore refined.
The last thing I would say is,,anything and everything I've written here could be wrong and you would be wise to seek information from a subject matter expert in the jusrisdiction where you reside. K-

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