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#318649 - 02/09/07 01:27 AM Re: Kung Fu San Soo [Re: 18lohans]
ButterflyPalm Offline

Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2637
Loc: Malaysia

Isn't san shoo just supposed to be either practice or being able to use random moves of your kung fu system in combat applications?

Yes. It is not a formal system, that's why 'san' = loose / not well-defined, meaning no Forms (kata) and 'shou' = hand (methods)

In the old days some people like police, security guards etc. have no time or inclination to spend the time, effort and money to get into a formal system and so just asked a MA master for some quick easily digestable SD lessions for job requirements. Very much like today's SD "seminars"
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#318650 - 02/09/07 08:00 PM Re: Kung Fu San Soo [Re: 18lohans]
IExcalibui2 Offline

Registered: 05/20/06
Posts: 961
Loc: New York City

Isn't san shoo just supposed to be either practice or being able to use random moves of your kung fu system in combat applications?

if you're talking about San Shou then yes. San Shou is just a level of attainment. Literally meaning "free hand" so its freeing your hands (and feet) from all the forms and such and into a formless way of fighting. Part of the ideas that are in JKD...except it existed before Bruce Lee was born.

I mean if you train enough and are able to free your hands then it might look like what San Shou looks like today but San Shou has been heavily influenced by Muay Thai so thats why it looks so different.
"you're going to work till you wish you were dead and then keep going.." -Sgt Slaughter

#318651 - 02/10/07 09:35 AM Re: Kung Fu San Soo [Re: IExcalibui2]
Fisherman Offline

Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA

but San Shou has been heavily influenced by Muay Thai so thats why it looks so different.

I think that depends a lot on where you are and what art you are doing.
Maybe I am confused between rou shou and san shou? I haven't done either where I felt like there was a presence of muai thai.
Are we talking anout the free fighting type of san shou where the people engaging are starting from the outside? Or are we talking about two people engaging from a point where contact has already been established? To me there is a huge difference between the two. IMO, it is much more difficult to engage and opponent from outside his range where as if contact is already a given it is easier to feel where you opponent is going.
Here would be my example of rou shou.
I guess for me san shou is defined more as free sparring where contact has not yet been established. IMO, this is a higher level of skill than doing just rou shou because you are trying to implement the same principles but you have added the concept of bridging space to engage your opponent.
Chris Haynes

#318652 - 02/10/07 12:30 PM Re: Kung Fu San Soo [Re: Fisherman]
Stormdragon Offline
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Registered: 08/05/04
Posts: 3409
Loc: Salem, OR
See that rou shou is bare handed unlike most san shou, and it more resembles WC sticky hands or tai chi push hands which is great for that mode but San shou normally is done in a ring with gloves and starts from a position of disengagement and uses punches, kicks, knees, and throws I believe. Unarmed is the same thign and the throwing techniques often look like Greco Roman wrestling (especially cung lees back arch throw) with some judo style leg throws. The 2 metods would probably complement each other though even beign very different from what I can tell.
I guess their military uses a bre hand form of san shou but it is still more like MMA than anything else.
Good vid Fisherman, very itneresting. Which one are you and you missed a couple chances for leg tackles/shots. Fu nto watch though, nice arm drag and leg trip.

Edited by Stormdragon (02/10/07 12:33 PM)
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#318653 - 02/13/07 03:03 PM Re: Kung Fu San Soo [Re: skywise89]
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Registered: 03/24/04
Posts: 265
Loc: The Wastelands

Hello everyone, I saw some posts on here that was related
to the art of Kung Fu San Soo. I practice San Soo, and live in southern Oregon. I belive there were some people that have a San Soo club in Southern Oregon, or are just working out. If this is the case, please contact me ASAP. I teach, as well as fight and workout. I am interested in starting a club down here, and working out...and learning on a consitant basies. Please contact if your are interested.

I was wondering if you are a student of Bob Shores?If not he's in the area the last I heard.
Strength is fleeting,speed is an attribute of the young,but through my accuracy I endure.

#318654 - 02/13/07 04:22 PM Re: Kung Fu San Soo [Re: Dog Of War]
skywise89 Offline

Registered: 01/28/07
Posts: 7
Loc: Medford, Oregon
No I am a student of Tim Shirley. Tim was a teacher under Al Rubin. Robert Shores is a great guy and a good teacher. I do know him. However he is no longer teaching.

#318655 - 02/13/07 10:09 PM Re: Kung Fu San Soo [Re: skywise89]
skywise89 Offline

Registered: 01/28/07
Posts: 7
Loc: Medford, Oregon
Do you by chance know anyone in the area that is Teaching? If you did, I would be most grateful.

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