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#316428 - 03/19/07 04:05 PM Re: Low x-block [Re: Shonuff]
PugsRule Offline

Registered: 03/19/07
Posts: 2
Loc: Kentucky
I have always liked a X block for defense of a kick. A kick is powerful enough to blast it way through a standard block. The X block keeps the kick from coming through your defense into your face. It use to be the standard for defense of the overhand knife attack.
I feel it is still a good block for smaller people or females who's standard blocks could be overpowered by a much larger opponent.

#316429 - 03/20/07 05:06 AM Re: Low x-block [Re: Barad]
jude33 Offline

Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 1539


You are absolutely right about Iain Abernethy and by reputation certainly about Geoff Thompson but you will never convince Unsu that anyone with a Shotokan background has anything worthwhiel to say on kata (or anything in fact.)



That might be because shotokan seems to have changed the kate's for what ever reason. I dont think he is shotokan bashing in the main. I think(speaking for my studies that is) my answer is to look a the workable bunkia fom a re engineered point of view and then look at the original kata how it was before change(if that is possable) and see what the original bunkia should be(again if that is possable). To be honest my study of this topic gives me head aches. The bunkia I see some times is orintated as to what a certain karate style is centered on. Japanese infleunced karate bunkia(other than what i have seem from ian aberneathy and I am going on a another karate ka's bunkia seminar so I cant comment yet in to much detail about any seminars ) seems realy clean and not much dirty stuff

To be honest if anybody has studied ian abernaethys bunkia to a greater degree wouldnt that be a topic of discussion?

Barad if you have been on vince morris seminars would you like to discuss them?

Edited by jude33 (03/20/07 05:11 AM)

#316430 - 03/20/07 08:09 AM Re: Low x-block [Re: jude33]
Barad Offline

Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 427
Vince's seminars are outstanding. Aside from what appear to me very practical interpretations, they are communicated well. He is a thoroughly nice, down to earth bloke as well as being expert at what he does. There is none of the militaristic formality or ritual that the Japanese expect.


#316431 - 03/20/07 08:13 PM Re: Low x-block [Re: Barad]
Pierce Offline

Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 13
I am new to this forum and do not particularly want to read through 13 pages of what I assume to be going around in circles. (as forums usually do)

I believe the downward X-block along with some others are blocks that are referred to as Rakka. Rakka meaning the principle of hitting the base of a tree so hard that the blossoms fall off. These blocks are intended to block so hard that they shatter the opponents confidence (either of doing that move again, or through out the rest of the fight).

#316432 - 03/21/07 02:57 PM Re: Low x-block [Re: Pierce]
Shonuff Offline

Registered: 11/03/04
Posts: 604
Loc: London, UK
Hello Pierce,

Where does this "rakka" concept originate from?
It's Shotokan not Shoto-can't!!!

#316433 - 03/22/07 12:22 AM Re: Low x-block [Re: Shonuff]
Pierce Offline

Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 13
It is one of Shito-Ryu's five principles of defense, as seen here.
As for where it originates, I do not know.

#316434 - 03/23/07 04:56 AM Re: Low x-block [Re: Pierce]
Shonuff Offline

Registered: 11/03/04
Posts: 604
Loc: London, UK
Very informative, thank you!
It's Shotokan not Shoto-can't!!!

#316435 - 03/23/07 08:00 AM Re: Low x-block [Re: Pierce]
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6772
'attacking the attack' may very well have it's roots in Kendo. "Gekiken" ('sword hitting') comes from Kenjutsu, the precursor to modern Kendo.

There are alot of concepts, particularly in Japanese Karate which parallel sword fighting notions and seem to appear in Karate at the time it appears in Japan:
"ikken hisatsu"
"tai sabaki"
"ma ai"
Zen concepts, training the mind, "Zanshin", etc
several Etiquette & Customs parallels.

"Imagine one’s legs and arms as swords."

for example.

Practical fighting-wise, I don't think the arms and legs can be viewed as swords...because they aren't. The concept detracts away from grappling and clinch, which are a reality of fighting. I think these concepts are the defining difference of Japanese Karate.

#316436 - 03/23/07 08:39 AM Re: Low x-block [Re: Ed_Morris]
student_of_life Offline

Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 1032
Loc: Newfoundland, Canada
very true, in fact my sensei Nishiyama's style of shotokan is something i wold almost consider kendo with less ken and more kara. the principals i've been tought in class and in seminars i hear repeated on kendo video's i watch and the kendo books i've read.

i understand how many people find flaws in the japanese logic when it comes to budo. arms as swords? they are far more usefull then that, but i prefer to interpret that one as that by viewing youra arms and legs as swords, you would feel more confidant in your ability to hurt your opponent. for example it might give someone the mental courage to press an attack when he might be feeling scared of either the size or skill of his opponent. i think of it like this, "my arms are swords? bring it on!!! i'm dangerous!!!" not to sound like overconfidant, but more confidant then i would ever have been if i never praticed martial arts.

i wouldn't say that the concept distracts from any one thing really, so long as its understood and kept in what ever context is desiredable. obvisouly it is not ment to distract the student, but to teach him something, what that is? is up to you.

yours in life
its not supposed to make sense

#316437 - 03/23/07 10:12 AM Re: Low x-block [Re: Pierce]
Barad Offline

Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 427
Hi Pierce,

If you had read the 13 pages, you would have found that the use of x block from a crouched stance against a front kick had already been suggested. Personally, although I know that application hurts from experience, it looks to have been extracted out of context from the kata, where it probably represents the end of a throw (see Gankaku/Chinto and Heian Godan and Jion)and given a completely new meaning.

I have never seen anyone actually apply the x block in free sparring in that way, I suspect partly because it is a good way to get a smack in the mouth as an attacking fist follows an attacking leg.


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