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#315968 - 01/19/07 01:14 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: TeK9]
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Very good advice!

#315969 - 01/20/07 10:48 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: ITFunity]
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I studied in an ATA school for a few years ages ago.

My biggest gripe was that there was no discrepancy as to what was a point sparring technique and what was meant to be effective self defense. If you want to tech both fine, but teach them seperately so that the students dont get confused.

I hated sparring night. Im used to making contact when I spar. Theres nothing I hate more than when I see a guy telegraph from way back and I move just enough for a dodge and counter and then someone yells "POINT!". B.S. And whats with the restarting after every hit? It never happens like that outside of school, why should it happen like that inside?

My last real gripe was advancement. I sailed through the ranks. Sometimes before I felt I had my particular form down, though I must say forms were never terribly important to me. The second night I went to the school, I sparred a 2nd Degree Black and wiped the floor with him. I made contact. Later I understood why. It seemed like a good idea to the instructor to try to get a dojo full of blackbelts as fast as possible. And the prices were horrible, even then. The monthly was fine, but testing and belts were outrageous and increased with rank. All in all, Id steer clear from any ATA school nowadays.
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#315970 - 01/21/07 03:34 AM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Registered: 01/11/07
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I'm not fund of the whole sparring night either. I HATE the point system, it just sucks. Honestly, I would of kicked every single black belts ass in sparring night if allowe full contect, and simulated fight. I kicked this one guy in the nuts two times. He didn't look like he wore protective gear. Even the insectors warned him about my "Power" kicks and punchs. Both of them where accidents, My teacher keept saying. "if it doesn't woirk, try something new...maybe a kick..." BUT I'M limted! With this sort of sparring and rules, its hard to pull new stuff off honestly. If it was mys chool, I would of had it way differnet. Sorry to sound like a big A-hole but its true. I hope they can clear this up before they loose all creadibilty. When I blocked a kick on sparring night, They call "POINT!" its horrible. I wish it was a simulated fight. They would of all been creamed. They would all get embressed by getting there @#$'s creamed by a white belt. Yep. I know what you mean. :/

Edited by Pepsi_The_Man (01/21/07 03:36 AM)

#315971 - 07/11/07 12:55 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: Pepsi_The_Man]

Registered: 07/11/07
Posts: 28
true the way some peple judge it is a shame as for full contact I agree to some piont but you must rember it if a family based system that is why there is no full contact, But I have gone to a few tournaments and there was a lot of contact. Much to my chrgrin some schools it seems are a belt factory but you might say that about a lot of other places out there.

#315972 - 02/01/08 04:47 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: bluemesa159]
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Registered: 02/01/08
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I'm an ATA student and the way I'll describe them is inconsistant. Some schools are GREAT, some SUCK!

I'm an ATA 3rd degree certified instructor, and for the most part, I like the ATA system. However, as with any large system, there are some problem schools.


One of my biggest complaints about ATA is the lack of clear cut guidance & enforcement concerning uniform wear. According to the Instructor Manual, trainee instructors wear a 1" red collar stripe (called a collar of responsibility). At a national tournament, I actually saw a WHITE BELT wearing the red collar!!! OMG.. who is she teaching?!?!?!?!

You are working from an outdated manual. The Red Collar was changed from denoting an instructor trainee, to denoting a student that has enrolled in the Leadership program. Trainee instructor is now designated by the 1/2 red 1/2 black collar (Level 1 certified.) Also, if you have any questions, I've found HQ to always be more than helpful in answering them.


Other uniform discrepancies... belt stripes. We have belts that have a 3/4" ribbon stripe stiched the entire length, down the middle of the belt. If it's black, you're enrolled in the Black Belt Club, which allows you to attend specially designated classes... this one is pretty standard. Another is a yellow stripe - in my school, that signifies a Tiny Tiger (preschool - age 3 to 6)... other schools use it to identify their Leadership program (early training for those that want to be an instructor).

Your instructor is misapplying the belt stripe. Black stripe for BBC, gold stripe for Master club or leadership. Also, Leadership does not necessarily mean they want to be an instructor, although many owners apply it that way.


#315973 - 02/09/08 09:08 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: Devlin]

Registered: 07/11/07
Posts: 28
I have stated in several of my other post that there are good schools and bad schools in every style. you just have to find one thats right for you. I am not saying that my style is better that any other.It all depends on what you are looking for in a school. That is true your instructor is not using the stripe or belt system correctly.the red collar just states they are in the leadership program and does not mean they are teaching. We do have some people that are in the program and don't help out with any classes (much to my instructors chagrin)

Edited by ATABLKBELTNJ (02/09/08 09:12 PM)

#315974 - 02/09/08 09:14 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: ATABLKBELTNJ]

Registered: 07/11/07
Posts: 28
plus we must be doing something right if we are one if not the biggest in the usa

#315975 - 02/09/08 09:30 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: ATABLKBELTNJ]
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plus we must be doing something right if we are one if not the biggest in the usa

Not quite. Bigger does not mean better..or even mediocre. It just means they satisfy the wants of the customer. Here is your belt, your award, your after school care, your patch...your contract..etc..
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#315976 - 02/09/08 10:50 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: ATABLKBELTNJ]
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If you measured the success of an animal by how much crap it produced the elephant would always win.

#315977 - 02/17/08 08:36 PM Re: What do you guys think of ATA Black Belt Ac.? [Re: oldman]

Registered: 07/11/07
Posts: 28
to each there own I guess I have stated this before and not to sound like a broken record but I also have a black belt in Go Ju Ru and I found somethings wanting in that school too.Like the upper belts pounding lower ranks. I cant tell you how many people we lost because there was no control.

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