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#315558 - 01/16/07 05:54 PM Looking for a Dojo/Art?
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One of the most frequently asked questions we have from new martial artists or prospective martial artists is "how do I find a good dojo?". There are a few key things to look for and we will address them on this thread for a guide to all new users here. Feel free to contribute to this list.

The first thing to do, is to see what available to you. What is in your area and do these places offer what you are looking for? By that, do they teach grappling if you want to learn to grapple, or do they teach striking with the hands and feet? Some schools may teach both. So decide what you want to use to defend yourself, then find a school that caters to that idea.

After you have chosen your prospective school, ask for a time that you may sit in and watch a class. Many dojos will allow you to do this. If they do not, I would find another school. Also, this is a free service. Many schools will even let you participate in a class for free to let you get a feel for it.

Once you have arrived in the dojo, observe the relationship between the instructors and each other, and the instructors and the students. You want to learn from someone that you can respect and that will respect you. One that you are comfortable asking qustions and one who will take the time to answer your questions. Someone you can speak freely with. Another thing to observe is the student/teacher ratio. You dont want a class thats too big. The more one on one time with the teacher you can get the better.

As the class goes on, pay attention to the movements and techniques. Are these things that you would be comfortable doing? Do they look like things that could work effectively for you? Can you make it work against resistance? Remember, if it ever comes to having to use your training, the enemy is going to fight back. Also, take a look at the Dojo Etiquette. Some schools require that you bow, that you wear no shoes and various other things. Make sure these are all things you are comfortable with, as you will be expected to perform these things each time you enter the Dojo.

If you have decided that this is the school for you, stay after the class and talk to the head instructor. See about class fees and testing or belt fees. In many traditional systems there is a monthly payment, as well as payments for belts and gradings. Make sure that these amounts arent outrageous. Also, if any waivers or contracts are required, make sure you read it very carefully. Also ask about equipment or uniform fees as well.

Last but not least remember that its the artist, not the art, that makes self defense effective.

(Edit: We've had a lot of posts recently about what arts are right for various people. Chen's advice is sound and should answer most questions. - TimBlack)


Edited by TimBlack (05/29/07 06:55 PM)

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#315559 - 01/16/07 09:18 PM Re: Finding a Dojo. [Re: Chen Zen]
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thank you very much for posting this, very good info

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#315560 - 01/17/07 01:28 PM Re: Finding a Dojo. [Re: rowlon]
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Thats what we are here for. Good Luck and Good training.
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#315561 - 06/26/07 06:12 PM Re: Finding a Dojo. [Re: rowlon]
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What ever you do don't sign a contract, I signed a contract and it's impossible to get out of. Let me explain,When I signed up at this school, I was told I would have an instructor that I really respected. That instructor left,and I'm not so crazy about the new guy, I respect him a little but I'm not getting the training I was promised, and I'm sometime stuck in classes with children under the age of 10. and I'm 51, so I'm really disappointed, I spent 8 months with, a really great guy, and had all intentions of staying with him I signed the contract for a year after my 8th month, for 12 more months he never gave an indication that he was leaving. Now I'm stuck for 12 months, of wasted time. Oh well at least I can spend the time getting in shape.

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#315562 - 06/27/07 10:18 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Visit SEVERAL classes at a school, NEVER only one!

If for your child/children, do so with them several times, and without them at least once.

Several times and you will see/perceive things you could easily have missed the first time through. Without Mary, without Johnny at your hip you can ask the questions and have the conversations with whomever at decent length without them distracting and pleading for your parental attentions.

Visiting several times and they will see how class is conducted and get a small sense what reality is vs. their imagined version of martial practice will be like.

Multiple visits are mandatory for all involved.

Jeff

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#315563 - 01/25/08 11:35 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Chen Zen]
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I'm new to BaguaZhang and I know check the yellow pgs phila but cant find anything
Does anybody know any Baguazhang schools/instructors/masters that they would recommend?
on the East Coast or Philadelphia Thank you

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#315564 - 01/25/08 04:20 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Hello Chen Zen:

Well said!!!

I would repeat "the watch" aspect; is what these people are doing something that you wish to do? Do you like their methods, their basic approach to teaching....? Do you wish to learn by that method?

If not, do not return!!!

If so, I strongly advocate visiting twice at minimum. Once what we see can be a fluke class. Twice is less of a chance and begins a pattern of how you/I/anyone does things in general... If you explain "...I visited once, and I liked what I saw... I want to get a second look see if I missed anything the first visit, before I make a commitment... time, energy, money... I wanted another look"

I believe that would be a good approach.

Jeff

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#315565 - 01/25/08 10:23 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Ronin1966]
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I wanted to return to karate practice for quite sometime. recently got a postcard from nyctkd.com . checked out the site and learned that the head teacher has impressive background in both traditional teakwondo and wing chun. quite impressive. have schedule a trail lesson.

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#315566 - 01/25/08 11:06 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Kenrocks]
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Well, you aren't going to have much luck trying to learn karate at a tkd school,lol.
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#315567 - 02/25/08 02:01 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: BrianS]
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D'oh...

lol
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#315568 - 04/21/08 06:36 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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I am obsessed with Martial Arts and i'm studying it to find out which one will be best for me. i am looking for something that covers everything: punching, kicking, counter-attacking, killing, paralyzing, throwing, joint-locking, easy knockouts and defense against weapons. which one does all this?
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#315569 - 04/21/08 06:45 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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oh geeze...Killing?
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#315570 - 04/21/08 07:01 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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#315571 - 04/21/08 02:47 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Leo_E_49]
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Thanks for the advice to the topic creator. There are a couple of things I haven't thought about and I'm just looking for the right place to train.

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#315572 - 04/21/08 06:24 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: taekwondist]
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uhhh yeah, killing.
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#315573 - 04/21/08 06:33 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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Rex Won Do is perfect for killing!!

Bow to your sensei!!!
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#315574 - 04/21/08 10:34 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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What, No Chi Balls of Fire?
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#315575 - 04/21/08 11:50 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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so you want to know how to kill people?
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#315576 - 04/22/08 01:13 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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I have my karate to kill a rabbit that was a friend of mine's. The rabbit was old and on it's last leg, R.I.P. BB the rabbit.

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#315577 - 04/22/08 02:05 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: BrianS]
The_Master Offline
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yeah i do wanna learn how, not to really imply it, but just for desire on knowledge.
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#315578 - 04/22/08 02:08 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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i'm pretty sure that Wing Chun has it, does Jeet kune do also practice killing arts?
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#315579 - 04/22/08 03:13 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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disturbing. You don't need to learn a MA to know how to kill. And I think we practice to defend life not take it. Unless aboslutely necessary.
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#315580 - 04/22/08 03:39 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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hmm well, i just wanna know how. though i do know a guy who does killing arts, but he says he's killed about 3 ppl and can't control whether he does it or not, sometimes it comes from his subconcious, so it's always a risk. if i really wanted to kill some1, could just K.O then snap their neck, but i just wanna know 'other ways'.
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#315581 - 04/22/08 04:46 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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Adding to the original post by ChenZen I suggest also watching the senior students to see how they behave. Do they show respect to the teacher, each other and the junir students. Are they keen to help you through those difficult early days or more interested in showing off. They should inspire you to want to emulate them.

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#315582 - 04/22/08 05:14 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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Leaving aside master's slightly disturbing quest for death skills and adding to Chen Zen's orginal post:
When visiting a school also check out the senior students in the class. Are they respectful to the teacher, each other and the junior students. Are they keen to help you through those difficult early days or are they more interested in showing off their own skills? Do they inspire you to want to gain their knowledge. Senior students are a reflection of their teacher and should exhibit self discipline, loyalty and commitment. Ideally they should be approachable and provide a bridge between instructor and junior student - in the traditional Chinese set up the school was like a family with the senior students acting as elder brothers or sisters.

You should also check to see if the instructors teaching style is one you can get along with. Some instructors are rigid disciplinarians which suit some people not others, some are more open and chatty etc. Can the instructor talk the talk and walk the walk? Can he explain the concepts in a way that make sense to you as well as demonstrate them effectively? If so you have hit the motherlode.

Good luck and happy hunting.

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#315583 - 04/22/08 05:16 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: puffadder]
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Sorry for the double post. I didn't think the first one had gone through.

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#315584 - 04/22/08 05:47 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: puffadder]
The_Master Offline
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uhhh why does every1 think learning death skills is disturbing? Chinese martial arts was created in a hostile environment, so i wanna learn what it was sometimes used for.
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#315585 - 04/22/08 06:01 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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It was a different era, a time when your skills were all that stood between you and rampaging warlords, bandits and even government troops stealing all you had, forcing you into joining their bands or death. We don't face these any more in a lawful society. Human life is valued more highly now and very few instructors would want to teach someone who claims they wish to know how to kill. Don't idolise death, life isn't a playstation game or die hard movie.
There's only one reason to need to know killing moves and thats to avoid them. ie if you are being taught a strike the instructor needs to let you know if you hit a particular part of the body it could lead to death so you would know to avoid that.

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#315586 - 04/22/08 06:13 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: puffadder]
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lol funny u should mention that. at 1st that was why i wanted to do it, so i could avoid it. i guess i still wanna do it like that.
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#315587 - 04/22/08 06:16 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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i don't ever plan to use it. i can lose control and perform it from my subconcious mind. if i ever truly wanted to kill some1, just K.O and snap their neck. at least that way, ur always in control.
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#315588 - 04/22/08 06:29 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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"loose control..from your subconscious?" huh? You think it is that easy to K.O. someone and then snap their neck? And just because you snap their neck doesn't mean they die, you could maybe paralize them and now you pay for their medical treatment for the rest of their life. How does that sit in your subconscious mind?
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#315589 - 04/22/08 06:31 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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sometimes u do things without realising it, 'subconcious mind', automatic. besides the guy i know K.Os ppl easy.
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#315590 - 04/22/08 06:38 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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I AM OBSESSED. i just wanna learn and learn and learn, i don't put many boundaries on what i want to learn.
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#315591 - 04/22/08 06:39 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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really? The "pro fighter" right? What is his name?
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#315592 - 04/22/08 06:43 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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Ian, aussie martial artist, fought in overseas matches and stuff, one of the styles he does is Wing Chun.
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#315593 - 04/22/08 06:49 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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ok, u have a last name...
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#315594 - 04/22/08 06:50 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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sorry, can't remember his last name. lol his kids are using my old computer lol
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#315595 - 04/22/08 06:52 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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next time i see him i'll ask more about his history.
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#315596 - 04/22/08 06:52 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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weird..didn't you say he was your friend and you don't know his last name? His kids have your old computer and you still don't know his last name? Come, stop BS'ing and just tell the truth...
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#315597 - 04/22/08 06:54 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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i don't know much about him except for abit of his martial arts history. he's my dad's friend's friend. i do remember one thing about him, one of the students he personally trained does 35 punches in 7 seconds, very fast little asian girl.
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#315598 - 04/22/08 07:00 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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and not a single one a K.O.

It seems like you look up to this dude, surprising that you don't know hi last name...Since you wanna be like him..

ya mind if I ask how old you are?
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#315599 - 04/22/08 07:05 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: JasonM]
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...i'm 14, trying to get into martial arts as soon as i can. i didn't see much purpose to learning his last name, and when i did, i forgot to ask. btw he's done heaps of K.Os. ALOT
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#315600 - 04/22/08 10:08 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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You sound like the perfect example of why my school doesn't teach anyone under 16.

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#315601 - 04/22/08 10:30 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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Quote:

...though i do know a guy who does killing arts...




You know a liar.
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#315602 - 04/22/08 12:20 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Zombie Zero]
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The_Master,

Study Dillman's Ryukyu Kempo if you want to be all you can be.
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#315603 - 04/23/08 06:08 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Raul Perez]
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........ok. thx, Ryukyu Kempo?
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#315604 - 04/23/08 06:09 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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sorry, i don't like Japanese MA much. i prefer Chinese MA.
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#315605 - 04/24/09 11:26 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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Ryukyu is Okinawan, technically not Japanese. Highly influenced by Chinese arts. Okinawa is the largest island in the Ryukyu chain.
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#421900 - 08/27/09 05:27 AM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Thanks for sharing this useful information. It's great.
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#421915 - 08/27/09 01:21 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: BaguaNewbie]
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Hi, BaguaNewbie

Google huangtaichi and you will find a Master I stake my incense scented Gators Cap and Head on.

He is based in Miami but travels to conduct intensive (work/transmission of technique and sorry..$$$),
his smaller seminars in Gainesville,FL is where I began.

Look up Master Huangs home page and his credentials and direct lineage say it all. His Qi Gong work always precedes Ba Gua.

If he is too far on east coast it may be a polite letter will elicit an instructor Master Huang finds superlative.

hope that helped.

Karl. Peace.
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#421961 - 08/28/09 09:23 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: karl314285]
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Ryukyu Kempo has some cool techniques!

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#421974 - 08/29/09 05:41 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: zentari]
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Posts: 326
Loc: The Matrix, Serif is Teacher
Hi,

Poster was seeking Ba Gua Instructor on east coast...

recommended visiting home site of Master Wei Lun Huang @

huangtaichi just google it

not and ad, a pathetic student lauding Instructor.

Karl. Peace
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#423516 - 11/11/09 07:59 PM Re: Looking for a Dojo/Art? [Re: The_Master]
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Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 3
Originally Posted By: The_Master
sorry, i don't like Japanese MA much. i prefer Chinese MA.


I don't know Martial Arts but I believe you should be accepting to all Martial Arts or they wouldn't be around.

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