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#315192 - 01/25/07 04:52 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: Dereck]
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Dereck

If your school is not sports orientated then why practice the kicks that were created for tournament sparring? Is it because they are part of the Olympic style Tkd and so its out of tradition? Because some kicks such as the nado ban or tornado kick are clearly good only for competition.
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#315193 - 01/25/07 05:25 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: TeK9]
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The school is not sports orientated but there is a junior fighting team and we even have a few adults that compete. We are also affiliated to 2 other schools plus a 3rd school joins us for testing; our 4 schools will have an interclub tournament 3 to 4 times a year.

Overall no, we are not sports orientated but kicking is a necessity to any fighting art. It mostly has to do with tradition passed down by my Instructor's South Korean Master, but I will let you know that my Instructor used to be a fierce competitor and traveled the world fighting and represented Canada in Japan. Thankfully his Master told him not to focus on the sport side but it does not stop my Instructor from teaching the skill but as well his competitive nature has pushed him in other directions such as BJJ/JJJ/MMA and now he's taking up boxing ... and then these skills come back to us and those of us that enjoy these then compete in those areas such as myself in Gi Grappling and No Gi Submission Wrestling.

Being well balanced and rounded is his goal. If you want to compete he will allow you to compete and train you as such in what ever form you want; we've had others compete in Kick Boxing tournaments. Kicking, punching, grappling ... they are all necessaties, it is just that TKD is the foundation.
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#315194 - 01/25/07 11:47 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: Dereck]
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Anyone competing in the US Open in Orlando in a few weeks?

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#315195 - 01/26/07 12:06 AM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: TeK9]
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Yes TeK9 I agree with much of what you post. However, there are always things that all MAs share in common. Obviously TKD has its roots in Shotokan. In fact, some today still teach that (Shotokan/TangSoDo) - but call it TKD. They even still do the HeiAn Katas. WTF mostly concerns itself with the sport rules, which are very different from Karate. The ITF, under Ambassador Choi emphasized more of a standard syllabus. There are many additions, kicks, flying kicks, chambers, previous posititions & like you adaptly put it, a new way to train. That to me is where I find my answer. I do think that your points are valid, but I do look at it differently. At some point, all MAs are the same. At some point, they are different. That point, is often determined by the level of sophisication of the observer. To some of my friends, its all Karate to them. Others, its all KungFu to them. In fact, some of my friends & even family members can't even pronounce TKD correctly. To them, it is a bunch of fighting in pajamas. To me, they are all so different, after you look beyond.

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#315196 - 01/26/07 08:57 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: TeK9]
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Quote:

Dereck

If your school is not sports orientated then why practice the kicks that were created for tournament sparring? Is it because they are part of the Olympic style Tkd and so its out of tradition? Because some kicks such as the nado ban or tornado kick are clearly good only for competition.




why would these kicks only be good for competition? i can see the movements you have to learn in order to perform these kicks having importance outside of the ring.

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#315197 - 01/26/07 10:04 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: halltzu]
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Well for instance the doubles (roundhouse kick) which is currently posted and discussed on another thread which I posted. Is one of those kicks invented for the use in tournament sparring. I however, have slightly altered it so that it can be useful for street fighting. It is not a basic move however, I would categorize it as an advance kicking technique, because of the mechanics and the level of difficulty which it requires to attain to perform effectively.

A kick one step higher in difficulty is a "triple kick" which is performed exactly how the double kick is only with one additional roundhouse at the end at head level. A kick such as this is great for tournaments because of the rules which handicap the defendant, for instance with a move so unbalanced such as the triple kick, a person could easily be pushed off balanced, however, pushing is not aloud in tournaments. Also, triple kicks are probably to long a combination, and cold be easily susceptible to a punch to the face. But in Olympic style TKD face punches are not permitted. So a triple in Olympic style sparring is very effective if you can pull it off, however, for actual fighting w/o rules, it is a technique with to much liability even for someone with superior skill.

Another kick that would not be advisable in an actual fight would be the jumping spinning heel kick sometimes called the jumping spinning hook kick. but most famously called the Jean Claude Van Dam Kick. It's a very fancy,pretty and effective kick if it lands, but it's just to much of a liability and the chances of you landing such a telegraphed kick is extremely low. Unless of course your filming an MA b-movie which the stunt guy is going to allow you to kick him.
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#315198 - 01/27/07 01:36 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: TeK9]
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ok, well, all my fights with gullible b-flic stuntpeople aside , i'll grant you that double and triple kicks, and kicks like the back spinning jumping heel or hook kicks are one i would not bust out with on the street.

however, i still maintain that those kicks require skills that are useful in "practical" self-defense situations. for example, double and triple kicks are good plyometric drills, and useful to increasing your overall kicking speed, which is useful in situations of practical self defense. Similarly, a kick such as back turning, spinning, jumping kicks require the sharpening of agility and the ability to move your hips around your center axis in (somewhat) less than conventional ways. these are also skills that could be useful in a practical self-defense situation...

so, while i may not use kicks such as those in self-defense situations and that i grant you, are really only effective in olympic style sparring situations, i still think practicing those kicks develop skills and abilities that are practically useful.

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#315199 - 01/27/07 01:48 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: halltzu]
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I completely agree with you. Please check out the thread on double kicks and tell me what you think on my interpretation of the double kick. I altered the kick slightly to make it more street applicable for myself.

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#315200 - 02/05/08 01:08 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: TeK9]
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Hi people I too train WTF and am new here. My first post was yesterday under the human weapon subject.I am also glad to hear from other WTF people. I train taekwondo Hon MU Kwon Federation under Master sang Sup Kil. Have been reading fighting arts forum over a year but hesitated to participate, slow at typing. Had to post yesterday cause I couldn:t stand some of the comments reguarding WTF and taekwando in general any longer. If currious read the human weapon subject Pg. 7 would save me time in explaining, anyway welcome to all.

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#315201 - 02/05/08 04:58 PM Re: Does any one here train in WTF Tae Kwon Do [Re: von1]
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Von
The first school I trained in was Han Moo Kwan under Master Ahmeed(sp). I remember GM Kil coming to the states and doing a demo of Hapkido. He's a small man but very powerful.
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