Your style of TKD is Moo duk kwan? Do you have a lot of jumping/flying kicks in your style?

So, two or three threads dealing with ITF garbage and you WTF guys couldn't start your own? Do you need everyone else to do something for you?

Huh, these Olympic stars are just pampered prima donna's! I suppose you wouldn't go training unless someone else started the club!

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Someone's mother didn't give them enough attention.

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Ah, too true... mother sent me to Judo!

i train in WTF TKD (and i'm brand new here - and was really happy to find this site ). and while i used to do some competition, it's not really my interest anymore (does that make me a wierd WTF'er?)... so while competition's great, i love to talk about anything not (necessarily) realted to competition.

TeK9:

There is little doubt that Korean striking Arts have been greatly influenced by Japanese Karate, namely Shotokan. Some still practice it the way they were taught back in the 50s. Basically that is Korean Karate. I have no problem with that.
However, as the Art evolved both the ITF & WTF (KTA & Kukkiwon) took the Art down a different path. The 1st TKD book in English was written by Mr. Choi Hong Hi in 1965. he was at that time a retired Major General & former Ambassador. That 1st book closely followed his Shotokan roots. In 1972, his next book showed big differences, as did his 1983 Encylopedia & subsequent editions & condensed versions. To say that today's updated ITF is still Karate, well yes & no, All striking Arts have things in common. They also have things that set them apart.
What TKD is I leave up to others. I know what it is for me. Some look at it as an umbrella name for Korean striking Arts. Others look at it as something more specific to what they do. Both can be right.

From my inderstanding, the WTF & Kukkiwon have made changes as well, to make their style more Korean. I can not speak to that, at the same level I can with the ITF Chang Hon stlye of Taekwon-Do. Maybe others can. But what sets us apart from the Japanese Arts, is more than just terminology.

To make sure you understand me better ITFunity, I want you to know that I am only referring to the physical techniques and not the philosophy of TKD or it's cultural tradition. While I know TKD is made up of much more than just it's physical characteristics, it is these physical attributes that I feel Master Choi has in a way fabricated their creation. What I mean is, it's like claiming he created a whole new system of TKD when infact it looks exactly the same as any other art practiced at the time in Korea. The techniques are exactly the same but he changed the names to make them more Korean, how does this make them more Korean? because he claimed he created a better system than karate using karates very same techniques? No sir, to me he did not create a new system of martial arts, to me he created a curriculum; a new way to train in martial arts. While keeping those very same techniques that every other style in Korea was using.

What changes did he make? Does the forms make the system? Because his forms use the exact same techniques used in any other karate system, the only difference is the sequence in which they are performed. He added the sign wave, but is that mearely enough to claim a completely different from karate? One of the differences between karate and korean karate was the emphasis the Koreans used with their kicks, many claimed it was due to the indigenous martial arts of Korea, whether that is true or not, this was enough to create a new style of karate, Korean karate but still karate.

Also I disagree with the general asking other martial artist who called their art karate to change their arts name to Tae Kwon Do just to establish this new "Style" which is exactly the way it's been practiced for so many years, only the orderred in which things were introduced (curriculum) changed.

Like brazillion jiu-jitsu, it's still ju-jutsu the only major difference is that they place an emphasis on ground grappling. Small circle ju-jitsu is still ju-jitsu only it places an emphasis on finger and wrist locking, small limbs/targets of the body.

I see Tang Soo Do as classical Korean karate, and if the name change is in effect then I also see it as Tae Kwon Do but simply because the name change, but it is still the same art.

Like hapkido and daito ryu ju-jutsu, they are the same art, only the korean master decided to change the name in Korean, the only difference between those two arts is that hapkido has adopted more kicking techniques. A blend from the korean karate that was being taught in those days.