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#315081 - 01/15/07 07:52 AM Pressure points on hand
gojuwarrior1 Offline
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Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 1178
Loc: East Coast, USA
Hey all, i was in a situation last night were we had to restrain a patient and put him in restrants. Well I got him to comply with my demands quite efficently but after we got him restraned we had to take off his watch. He had his fist balled tightly and this is were my problem was, is there any points that will make the hand open or relax? I tried rubbing his tricep but that only worked when i had keep him down so i tried it to see if it would open his hand but it didnt. Help a hard headed karateka with some pressure point knowlege, Thanks
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#315082 - 01/15/07 11:23 AM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: gojuwarrior1]
underdog Offline
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Registered: 09/18/04
Posts: 1270
Loc: Mansfield, MA U.S.A.
That is a very good question. I've been there hundreds of time. The limiting factor is that you can't do any harm. I'm in health care (psychiatry) Are you in health care or law enforcement? Not being able to do any harm really makes this difficult. Here are some things I have tried from time to time. NOTHING I have tried works all the time or with any great consistancy in this circumstance. There is a lot of artistry. Do please post some of your ideas and maybe readers can add.

1) Attack a point on the opposite arm like the back of the elbow TW 11 and 12 and grab the hand you want to get when you get the cross extensor reflex.

2) Finger locks both the hyperextension type and the compression type. Be super careful about fracture.

3) TW 3 strike as supposed to be helpful but with this kind of resistance, and lack of desire to harm on our part, I find it overrated.

4) LI 5 or 6 rubbed with knuckles is truly annoying and might help.

6) Elbow rub front to back on Lv 13 or any other convenient torso point that will cause the opening up posture.

7) Lv 9 on the opposite quadrant leg. It takes the energy out of the hand you are manipulating. It will buy you a tempo to get the hand. Use it quickly.

I think the best ones are the ones where you don't go strength against strength with the hand. That is where his energy is and that is where he is braced for more pain than you are willing to inflict. I like the opposite quadrant ones best.
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#315083 - 01/15/07 03:22 PM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: gojuwarrior1]
secretninja Offline
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hey, there are two pressur points around the radius bone on the wrist grab the wrist horizaltallly with your thumb on the same side of the wrist as his thumb and your index finger the side of his little finger,just above to raduis and squeeze , the thumb side releases the wrist and the little finger side releases the fist and its very hard to resist once you no how to apply it there is also about 4 heart points in the hand that, if three are strikes medium solidly with in about 30 seconds of each other will produce a 3 point knock out for about 15 - 30 seconds, if you want more info on how to apply these points, just ask !

thank you
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#315084 - 01/15/07 05:44 PM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: gojuwarrior1]
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
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Loc: North Carolina
Sure, choke him the F#&K out and take his watch off, his wallet and damned near anything else.

Unconsciousness works really well in terms of overall compliance.



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#315085 - 01/15/07 06:46 PM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: JKogas]
wristtwister Offline
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Registered: 02/14/06
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Put your fingertips on his fingertips and then squeeze his fist making it get tighter and tighter... while you're going the wrong way with them, you'll find somebody really wants to open their hand when the pressure comes. If they really resist, go to just one finger and squeeze it. Trust me, they will want to open their hand... It really doesn't matter which finger you squeeze, it'll work fine on any of them...

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#315086 - 01/16/07 09:11 AM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: JKogas]
gojuwarrior1 Offline
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Registered: 12/24/02
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That would be the easy part John, but i work in a Mental health unit and we must use the least amount of force possible. Thanks for the info guys ....now just to figure all them points out .
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#315087 - 01/16/07 11:16 AM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: gojuwarrior1]
underdog Offline
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Registered: 09/18/04
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Loc: Mansfield, MA U.S.A.
Oh cool. That's my thing too. Mental health. I understand perfectly the restrictions. That is why I've learned to go away from the hand. The patient is willing to resist to near fracture point there. Get him someplace else- opposite quadrant. Now the REALLY tricky thing about this, after trying to train mental health workers in physical applications for many years, is to get your TEAM to PRACTICE!!! They need to know on a signal, that when you are rubbing or getting something somewhere else, to GET THE HAND!!!

We actually practiced some bizzare other alternative techniqes that you might want to consider. On the night or evening shift, for example, have someone shut the lights suddenly and for no apparent reason. The natural response is to open hands, drop them by the waist, and look around to see what is going on. GRAB THE WRIST THEN!!!

Another cool trick is to take the silly med cup from the nurse, and fling it at the face of the patient. It will do no harm but it compels the patient to open his hands to protect his face. In the grand scheme of things, it is totally harmless and pretty effective. I realize it isn't pressure points, but pressure points on the HAND may not get what you want. You have to be more sneaky than that. IMHO
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#315088 - 02/04/07 07:27 PM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: gojuwarrior1]
Midnightcrawler Offline
Dragon

Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 184
Loc: England
Quote:

Hey all, i was in a situation last night were we had to restrain a patient and put him in restrants. Well I got him to comply with my demands quite efficently but after we got him restraned we had to take off his watch. He had his fist balled tightly and this is were my problem was, is there any points that will make the hand open or relax? I tried rubbing his tricep but that only worked when i had keep him down so i tried it to see if it would open his hand but it didnt. Help a hard headed karateka with some pressure point knowlege, Thanks




Why the need to remove their watch? As you've already said you have them restrained. What are they going to do swallow the watch, or is there a regulation on 'time restraint' and your afraid they can time you and if you go over that time then they might sue you?

MC.
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#315089 - 02/05/07 08:42 AM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: Midnightcrawler]
underdog Offline
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Registered: 09/18/04
Posts: 1270
Loc: Mansfield, MA U.S.A.
The watch causes skin abrasions under the restraints and unnecessary pain, and the restraints will naturally gravitate to exactly the same point on the wrist that is comfortable for the watch. So, for protection of skin integrity and patient comfort, it must come off. This would be true even in the NHS where tax payers pay the bill.

I don't know why you want to assume that you alone are the savior of mental health clients. We, in the business, are actually qualified and well intentioned. Most shifts, there is no violence and we can feel really good about helping the least in the kingdom.

This is a martial arts forum and so the relevant stories, and the situations around which WE ask our collegues around the world for support, are the dangerous episodes because this kind of interaction doesn't come easily for most of us.

Since tone of voice and physical presentation are missing in written forum posts, I really can't figure out where you are coming from and what is your intent. Until I feel I understand this, if you wish to ask challenging questions, please send them to me in PM and off the forum where they can have a destructive influence.
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#315090 - 02/05/07 11:39 AM Re: Pressure points on hand [Re: underdog]
Midnightcrawler Offline
Dragon

Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 184
Loc: England
Imagine that it is usually said in a lighthearted fashion and you'll not be wrong?

I do however 'feel' for these patients. Why? Well I kind of don't consider the application of pain and being tied up (restraint) to be treatment. Punishment yes, but not treatment. There again I've not worked in that environment and have not had any relatives or freinds encarserated for treatment. So what do I know? I'm just looking at it from Joe Publics point of view. I think I'm right in saying that patients have rights, don't they?

MC.
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