I was referring to the historical development of kickboxing in the 1960's and 1970's (specifically the PKA). I guess a case for kenpo could be made with Benny Urquidez though, so your point is taken.

Although how "traditional" either kenpo or kyokushinkai are is up for debate.

Yeah, I think I misunderstood his post. I read it quick and thought he was saying there was no style of kickboxing based on kenpo, but he said that kickboxing was based on kenpo. If the kenpo he is referring to is the sport version of a koryu art or simply the okinawan use of the term when referring to striking methods then I agree, but if he is talking about one or all of the many styles of kenpo out there then I don't agree.

*sigh* again in my opinion as some1 who DOES NOT do MA, i believe that competition should be about getting better instead of using 'kickboxing' because it's 'easier'. the hard way has less limitations than the easy way, like in tennis, ppl can have powerful 'lolly-pops' but once u find the hard technique, at its peak it overcomes the easy way.
of course there's the saying from JKD, "the easy way is the right way" i can agree with that, but if the hard way can carry you further, then i disagree but if they come up with the same result or the easy way is better in the situation, then the easy way is the right way.

Hello Everyone:

The purpose of an OPEN "tournament" today is to win trophies & medals by whatever inane, foolish method possible. Show up you win. The bigger, larger (sic. insanely) the better one supposedly "is"... correct? Any pretense of genuine technical skill has been replaced by pretty & speedy to music whenever possible.

I wonder could it be the reason we don't see fundamental technique because too many bounce from art to art like oil on a hot griddle? I have to stay in one place, learning one thing period, for a decent time to make it habit, right? Any ole punch any ole way would make sense if too few had done the basic work.

I would also wager we'd see very different responses (open tournaments) IF the attacks were chokes, arm bars, etc. allowed sweeps and throws.

We'd have to remove the children from the entire tournament process... . "...Sure, do whatever you want..." I'm 100% certain they'll love it until they are the one actually getting hurt...

Jeff