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#312987 - 01/06/07 03:07 PM Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi)
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Well, hopefully we can ignore the politics of TKD for a while, and to help us on our way I'd like to ask about the twisting kick, technically (meaning rarely ) called in our ITF school "bituro chagi."

First of all, I find the kick really hard to perform. It requires flexibility in unusual places and forces the body into an untenable feeling position. I wonder if I am alone on this, or whether others of you have similar problems.

Furthermore, what makes it unique, compared to say a front snap kick, which I think is targeted at similar points. Thirdly, is it possible to get the kick much higher than abdomen height- and is there a reason why you would want to do this. Basically, is twisting kick in any way actually a useful kick? So far I just find it technically very fustrating for few benefits.

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#312988 - 01/06/07 03:13 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: Supremor]
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I'm not sure of what this kick is, could you break it down for me so that I may better understand? We may have the same kick in our curriculm but just under a different name. I have to admit, we don't get into the "actual" names such as Bituro Chagi as for most to remember this would be difficult. We stick to basic names or with many things, make up names ourselves so that others can relate to it better.

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#312989 - 01/06/07 05:40 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: Dereck]
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Sure. Here's a description of it, however I don't think it'll help you visualise it much

http://www.tkdtutor.com/09Techniques/Kicks/KickTechniques/Twist.htm

And here is an image of the finishing position of the kick:

http://tkdfm.taekwondo.cz/newspic/clanek117.inc.1.jpg

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#312990 - 01/06/07 05:47 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: Supremor]
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Sorry Supremor, but from the descriptions, I visualize something like the Hurricane Kick from Street Fighter, except not in the air.

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#312991 - 01/06/07 06:00 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: Mr_Heretik]
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I've found a video!

Here is a video of a twisting kick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvWD7DbYZ6A

The guy performing it looks like a WTF practitioner, so I assume that it must be in the WTF sylabus as well.

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#312992 - 01/06/07 06:25 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: Supremor]
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The twist kick is a very unique weapon in the TKD arsenal.It is also very awkward to perform, as it goes in a way that is kind of unnatural to our bodies movements. What makes it unique is its potential targets as to where the opponent may be standing. Typically, if an opponent is in front of you but bladed to your posture, a low twist kick can get to the groin nicely. If the opponent is say on about a 45 degree angle, the target can now become the slor plexus. The hardest one also depends upon your flexabilty, as an opponent can be on your extreme right/left and you can go for the face. It is better to see a visual, but again, a very unique weapon.

VDJ

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#312993 - 01/06/07 06:27 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: Supremor]
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Yes, twisting kick is called bituro chagi in Korean. In the ITF sylabus we have a very standardized terminology & nomenclature. It allows us to keep the techniques standardized & allows everyone to understand what we mean, when a question like this comes up. In addition, Korean terminology is required, as for international events, it is used along with English. It also allows non-english speaking Countries to follow as well, as it is a Korean Art.

Getting back to the kick. It is very hard. The reason being is that many people confuse or compare it to a front snap kick. Once that is let to happen, many will just stick to the very easy, basic & effective front snap kick. This however limits your arsenal of weapons.

A front snap kick is used against an opponent that is in front of you. A twisting kick can be used against an opponent:
1- in front of you (low) kicking the inner thigh
2- to the side of you (middle) kicking the groin
3- or behind you (hign) kicking the face

In order for a twisting kick to be effective the chamber or previous position must be worked in isolation of the technique. It also has to be stretched that way as well. It is introduced in the Chang Hon Tuls at the BB level, with low in GaeBaek (1st dan) & EuiAm (2nd dan), middle in SamIl(3rd Dan) & high in MoonMoo (4th Dan). I introduce it to color belts at 5th grade green belt. It has to be practiced against targets & focus pads. Even the video had the performer not getting the proper position (not that I can do better, I CAN'T!). Notice how the boards are angled to allow the tool to make contact. The boards should be held straight up & down, at a 90 degree angle to the floor.

Some of the best kickers of this kick were GM Chang Keun Choi & GM Kwang Jo Choi. Even at their senior years, they can still do it where they can whack someone standing behind them.

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#312994 - 01/06/07 06:29 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: ITFunity]
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I always called that an inverted roundhouse. I've only used it after a spin, when the opponent is probably expecting a tornado roundhouse. Unfortunately the WTF isn't as standardized.

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#312995 - 01/06/07 06:34 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: Mr_Heretik]
ITFunity Offline
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Never thought of it after a spin. It is also done flying. An inverted roundhouse? Isn't is going the same direction as your roundhouse kick?

Left twisting kick goes the same way as a right leg roundhouse (turning kick/dolyo chagi) doesn't it?

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#312996 - 01/06/07 06:38 PM Re: Twisting Kick? (bituro chagi) [Re: VDJ]
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Thats the right idea, except your targets are a little off the textbook answer, sorry if I am being too picky. It is a shame that it isn't utilized more, especially in sparring. Not many would expect it. That was one of the main reasons why the Founder insisted that free sparring didn't take place till 4th grade blue belt. This way, students would have more than the few basic techniques that most cling too. Just like you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

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