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#312869 - 01/07/07 12:51 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: Ted_Karate]
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Registered: 01/05/06
Posts: 501
Loc: Ann Arbor, MI
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lol no not offended. I just like putting people on the spot. If I chose something to be offended about it would be more likely KJ63's silly assertion that having a dog has been likened to having an autistic child. Something tells me that nugget of wisdom came from a dog owner, and not a parent of an autistic child.
Autism is not what the majority of people think it is. But, people still think its fine to make assumptions based on "Rain Man"
I'm actually autistic myself. My daughter and I are both Aspies (having Asperger's syndrome) so were a little different than people with standard autism, but we're on the spectrum nonetheless.
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#312870 - 01/07/07 01:05 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: jonnyboxcutter]
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The Forum Dragon
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Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 3629
Loc: BKK, Thailand
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I can think of several times you and I would be throwing hands and in every one of them you would be in the wrong.
I don't care if I'm wrong. I rather be wrong and happy. You however, would be right and regret being right.
If I do ever decide to lay my hands on someone which I very rarely do; trust me, you'd wish I never got infuriated. I dont really care if I'm wrong or not.
Read Cord's posts. A dog should be properly handled and treated. The only time a dog can attack a person or a child is when it is being neglected. Most attacks happens when people walk into their territory and annoy it. Children have no idea of what dogs are thinking. If properly handled, kids shouldn't even be in the viscinity of a large dog. If a dog is loose, it's the owner's fault. Dogs if taken into the public should be put on leash. In Thailand we have millions of stray dogs, and there is almost no case of these dogs ever attacking humans. The only time they bit were when people misabused them or tried to touch their children.
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Sorry dude but your priorities are WAY out of whack. Put down the Disney movies and step into reality.
I have to admit I'm very over-zealous, but that's who I am. Disney movie? You'll wish you'd never meet me when you're hitting your dog infront of me. Trust me, when my fuse goes off, I dont stop until the other person is on the ground knocked out. I wouldn't care if I was wrong or not.
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Do you have any clue how wrong this statement is? You do realize that dogs are predatory animals that have been bread into submission don’t you? They can and sometimes do revert.
So they're wild and harmful? They should be put to death? They're a danger to the society? Doubt it. Dogs are intelligent, not stupid. They do things on their instincts and what has been instilled. My father was a captain in Sweden's military canine unit. Those dogs would only do what was trained into them or what their instincts told them. Even then, their training would be a priority over their instincts. Trust me, the canine unit would be a failure if you tried tracking down a man caught in a avalanche but the dog is searching for moose instead.
Very rarely do dogs revert into their primal behaviours. It happens. It happens in humans too. Hell, I go berserk on everyone and anything when I lose my fuse. So am I a danger to the society? Maybe.
I have to agree. I might be throwing hands, but you wouldn't. I wouldn't walk up to you and tell you to stop it. I would initiate the attack before you knew what hit you. Disney or not, this is who I am and this is reality. I've been into police station quite a few times concerning dogs. I have been charged with assault, but the dog owner did get his dog taken away so I'm happy to pay the fine.
-Taison out
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#312871 - 01/07/07 01:35 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: Taison]
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Registered: 08/11/06
Posts: 320
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I don't care if I'm wrong. I rather be wrong and happy.
You must be very happy
I'm happy for you, really I am...
-JBC-
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#312872 - 01/07/07 01:42 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: Taison]
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Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 38
Loc: UK England Suffolk
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The only time they bit were when people misabused them
Enlighten me, whats the correct method for abusing a dog?
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#312873 - 01/07/07 01:49 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: Taison]
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Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
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I am with you tyson. My real triggers are people causing physical harm to animals, women and children.
With dogs their is mutual responsibility. The responsibility of the owner to keep it an environment of care, love and proper control right from the word go; and there is an equal responsibility from all who interact with the dog to respect it as a creature, and understand the concept of territory, body language, and obvious triggers such as food and property. If the person interacting with said dog is too young to grasp these concepts, then the parents must control the child with the same care they expect of the dog owner.
When my wife was a child (4 years old to 8 years old), she played happily during these years with the 3 rottweilers that belonged to her neighbour- running around, climbing on them, falling asleep curled up with them, no worries. one day the owners had a barbecue. One of the guests was a teenage girl who took it upon herself to try and take a beef bone away from the feet of one of the dogs. It bit her, and had to be destroyed.
Was it a dangerous dog, or a moronic teenager that was the problem?
To be safe in a new town, you find out about the area- good places, rough places.
To be safe around dogs, you must learn about dog behaviour, and respect it.
Common sense really- so simple even a 4 year old can grasp it, if taught by sensible parents.
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#312874 - 01/07/07 01:56 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: jonnyboxcutter]
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The Forum Dragon
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Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 3629
Loc: BKK, Thailand
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Here are some stuff I got from the Rottweiler Welfare Association. Quote:
Like all dogs, the Rottweiler needs to be trained properly and controlled at all times.
No-one should own a Rottweiler unless they are absolutely sure they can control it, and are willing and able to devote time and effort to teach the dog good basic manners.
The Rottweiler has a natural guarding instinct. Do not do anything (for instance, rough play) to enhance this guarding instinct.
No Rottweiler should be left in the sole charge of a person, such as a child, who is not capable of controlling it.
Any person who owns a dog should be aware that he will be devoted to and feel protective towards his household. This should be borne in mind when children are playing, people arguing or visitors are calling.
Third party insurance should be taken out on any Rottweiler that you own.
Some abandoned/rescued Rottweilers can make wonderful pets while others can be very protective.
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The Rottweiler is notably a steady dog with a self-assured nature. The Rottweiler's large size and incredible strength make this an important point to consider, and for this reason the Rottweiler is a breed that only experienced dog owners should consider; bear in mind this was originally bred as a war dog. Early socialization and exposure to as many new people, animals, and situations as possible are crucial to producing a dog that is tolerant of new environments.
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Aggression in Rottweilers is associated with poor breeding, poor handling, lack of socialization, natural guarding tendencies, and abuse.
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Doberman Pinschers are, in general, a gentle, loyal, loving, and highly intelligent breed. Although there is variation in temperament, a typical pet Doberman attacks only if it believes that it, its property, or its family are in danger.
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They are often stereotyped in such roles in movies (where they are trained to exhibit seemingly "aggressive" behavior), and video games, consequently many people are afraid of the breed. A related problem is the misunderstanding of their legitimate roles; because guard dogs are trained to neutralize unwelcome intruders, many people mistakenly believe that Doberman Pinschers are vicious.
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Well-bred GSDs have powerful jaws and strong teeth, can develop a strong sense of loyalty and obedience, and can be trained to attack and release on command. Poorly bred GSDs such as those from puppy mills can be fearful, overly aggressive, or both. GSDs (like Pit Bulls, Rottweilers and Dobermans), are often perceived as inherently dangerous, and are the target of Breed Specific Legislation in several countries. If a GSD is violent or aggressive, it is often due to the combination of poor breeding and the owner's lack of control or training. GSDs are often used as guard, attack and police dogs, which further contributes to the perception of being a dangerous breed. However, many GSDs function perfectly well as search dogs and family pets - roles where aggressive behavior is unsuitable.
GSDs' sense of loyalty and emotional bond with their owners is almost impossible to overstate. Separation trauma is one reason they are now used less often in guide dog roles, since guide dogs are typically trained from puppyhood by one owner prior to final placement with their employer.
Enjoy the over-flow of info, and where you went "wrong". Remember the rules;
1. Taison is never wrong.
2. Do not argue with Taison.
3. If he's wrong, refer to rule no.2.
-Taison out
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#312875 - 01/07/07 02:10 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: Cord]
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The Forum Dragon
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Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 3629
Loc: BKK, Thailand
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I still remember when my dad would take me through a walk in the canine camp. Those "ferocious" dobermen and GSD were like demons. All my dad was shout really loudly "At ease" and they turned into normal dogs. I still remember running around with 2 rotties and hugging them. There were only some simple rules while playing with them; dont hurt them, dont take anything from them, and be nice to them. Not even once did I ever get bit.
I even walked around in a cage with the camp's biggest GSD, Buster, and he was like an angel, until my dad showed me what a demon he could be. All my dad had to shout was "Attack" and buster would charge the assigned target and wouldn't stop until my dad shouted "stop". Buster was like a machine. He did exactly what he was told; nothing more and nothing less. If at ease, he's like an overgrown puppy. If told to attack, he goes berserk on the assigned target. The dog even knows how to disarm people with firearms; not so stupid now are they?
Once, a rookie tried handling Buster and forgot to say "at ease" and Buster refused to be touched. He would charge the cage and leave a dent. I walked up to him and shouted "at ease" like my dad did; and he calmed down and let the rookie put on a leash on him and take him for a walk.
To this day, Buster is now retired but still alive and well. He eats like a king and is the alpha dog in the camp although he doesn't need to go on duty anymore.
Oh for you people from Commonwealth countries; GSD are also known as Alsatians.
-Taison out
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#312876 - 01/07/07 03:16 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: Taison]
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Registered: 08/11/06
Posts: 320
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You could replace ever breed mentioned within your post with the general word “dog” and still be correct. To clarify, I am NOT talking about abuse, but “hit” does not equal “abuse”, and your post was rather irrational. None of your questions/points where brought up with this comment Quote:
dogs are predatory animals that have been bread into submission… They can and sometimes do revert
Or any of my posts in this tread. Sorry they come across like wild assumptions.
But since you asked…
So they're wild and harmful? Yes, they are wild (Domesticated but still and animal – close enough), and sometimes they can be harmful
They should be put to death? Sometimes
They're a danger to the society? Sometimes
am I a danger to the society? By the tone of that post I would say that it sounds like it.
Here is a real life scenario, how would you have responded?
You round the corner and find me holding a full grown Dalmatian off the ground by the throat. How do you react?
I will post the full explanation after you respond.
-JBC-
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#312877 - 01/07/07 03:59 PM
Re: Defense Against Dog Attack
[Re: jonnyboxcutter]
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Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
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You round the corner and find me holding a full grown Dalmatian off the ground by the throat. How do you react?
I will post the full explanation after you respond.
-JBC-
Situation assessment.
1. look for injuries to anyone in your vicinity, also injuries to your person.
2. listen to others reaction- is there an owner of the dog on the scene? is there a leash or harness on it
2. assess your demeanor- do you look petrified or calm(ish), are you shouting for help or telling people to stay mind their buisness?
3. assess the dogs reaction- slavering with aggression, or yelping and submissive.
All these would colour my reaction.
Incidentaly, no matter what the outcome of all this, physical striling of dogs has been disproven on all accounts as a valid and effective form of controlling and socialising them. Thats a simple fact. would you give your wife a slap if you felt 'she deserved it?' as well?
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