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#312015 - 01/02/07 05:38 PM Prevented a rape? good or bad?
Ippon_Me_Mae Offline
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 9
Loc: South Carolina, US
I was walking, like i do most night, through a dark and dangerous neighborhood which i live near. Whilst walking down a wooded curve in the road, i hear a struggle in the woods. Well, being the curious person that i am, i ha to look. I waded into the growth, useing the hunting kills i know so that i wouldnt be heard, i come upon 2 guys, maybe 18-24 or so, holding a girl of 16 as i later find out. Their goal, rape! So, i pull my knife that i always carry, a 5 inch fixed blade. I tell them to stop and leave calmly. One guy gets up, the other holding the girl. The standing guy pulls a knife, a 6' butterfly knife. He saunters up and ready(not visibly) and he tunges with a off balance thrust to my gut. I quickly side step, left hand catching hi sknife hand, and y knife slicing up his forearm, tearing a few tendons loose. He screas, drops the knife and runs off. I walk to the other, and about 5 feet away he pulls a gun, a snub nosed revolver. I threw y knife before he got it out. it stabed into his chest, a little under the shoulder. I ran and tackled him, knocking the gun out of his hand. The girl ran and called cops as i held the man down. I no longer walk there, seeing that i was looking for an excuse to use what i learn. But, i cant help to wonder, why learn if im not going to learn? if i have the ability, doesnt that give me the responsiblity to use it if i can? should i walk along, helping when i see? or seek it out to help? Wheres the line between guardian and murderer?
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#312016 - 01/02/07 05:52 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
alphawolf Offline
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Registered: 07/19/06
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I threw y knife before he got it out. it stabed into his chest, a little under the shoulder. I ran and tackled him, knocking the gun out of his hand.




No offense man, but you sound more like a 14 year old kid who has been watching too many movies. Its somewhat hard to believe you were able to throw a knife at someone's chest with perfect accuracy before the guy could pull the gun out, and secondly, if what you're saying is by any stretch of the imagination true, you could be responsible for murder.
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#312017 - 01/02/07 06:28 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
Mishael Offline
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Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 33
Loc: PA USA
I am assuming that since the girl ran for the police and you held the guy down till they arrived that you were able to learn her age that there is a news article about it. Could you post a link for more information.

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#312018 - 01/02/07 09:47 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Mishael]
wristtwister Offline
like a chiropractor, only evil

Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2210
Loc: South Carolina
I live in South Carolina, and that kind of incident would have been all over the newspapers (which I read daily)... not a word...

'nuff said...



p.s. Just for information... unless you're hunting (and licensed), any knife over 2 inches in S.C. is considered a "concealed weapon" if any portion of it is concealed, so if you're walking around with a 5" fixed blade knife on your side, you're more liable to get booked for a felony than praised as a hero...
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#312019 - 01/02/07 11:20 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
Galen Offline
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Registered: 11/07/04
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In case you arent getting it, these folks are doubting the validity of your story.

With good reason. Personally I dont believe it any further than I can throw my car.

Wait...not that far.

You are going to find that if you post such stories, you are going to have to provide more than you own good word if you expect folks to believe you.

Welcome to the boards.

Galen
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#312020 - 01/03/07 01:48 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
McSensei Offline
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Ippon me mae,

You're being called out on this mate.

Provide some evidence as to the validity of your story or it gets locked.
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#312021 - 01/03/07 02:10 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: McSensei]
shadowkahn Offline
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Registered: 01/03/07
Posts: 234
I KNEW this guy sounded familiar!

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#312022 - 01/03/07 02:23 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
Zombie Zero Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
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That didn't happen.

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#312023 - 01/03/07 02:29 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
Ted_Karate Offline
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Registered: 12/12/06
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Loc: UK England Suffolk
Theres far too much to say here...
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#312024 - 01/04/07 05:29 AM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ted_Karate]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
Posts: 1246
Loc: Oxford, England
Except for some of the weapons stuff and other situational bits and bobs, I don't really think it's all that suspicious.

In my area a dead body was found, it only reached as far as local news.
According to the released details of the autopsy, the guy wasn't hit with a weapon, but a fist, 'once'.
Police are obviously looking for an extremly powerful guy, probably big.

That only hit local news, you would think a story like that would spread out a bit wider but hey, it didn't.

And as for the original poster's story, if nobody reported anything then it is very unlikely that it would get anywhere near the press.
The girl may not have reported anything, and it is a known fact that people, especially women who undergo the trauma of rape or attempted rape very rarley report it to the police due to fear of vengence by their attackers or just feeling completly ashamed of themselves (I hate sick c**ts, and to think they actually take pride in what they do).

The world is not as caring as people like to think and the press will only print a story if it is profitable, so give the guy some slack, whether it happened or not it shows that his values are in the right place, regardless of the possibilty of an attempted ego trip.
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#312025 - 01/04/07 01:23 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
sgtZipper Offline
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Registered: 09/17/06
Posts: 25
Loc: the Netherlands
I believe you

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#312026 - 01/04/07 02:58 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: sgtZipper]
Ippon_Me_Mae Offline
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 9
Loc: South Carolina, US
firstly, it doesnt matter if you belive me or not, thats not the point of it.

secondly, i wasnt trying to hit the guy with the knife, but to distract him giving me more time. a sheer coincidence it him him.

and i did happen to get in trouble for the knife.

besides this, why is it that not a single person ansewered in any way the question at point, story real or false?
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#312027 - 01/04/07 03:06 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
Zombie Zero Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
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Loc: Lorton, VA
Quote:

if i have the ability, doesnt that give me the responsiblity to use it if i can? should i walk along, helping when i see? or seek it out to help?




Quote:

why is it that not a single person ansewered in any way the question at point




Ok, I'll bite. No, I don't think you should become a crime-fighting vigilante superhero.

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#312028 - 01/04/07 03:19 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
stormbringer Offline
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Registered: 04/04/06
Posts: 277
Loc: Florida
The reason it wasn't answered is probably because the story wasn't perceived as being real and therefore the poster wasn't worth replying to. This site is notorious for having recurring Trolls. As far as your question, no one has any obligation to help someone except those that do that for a career/job. If a person has a desire to help someone, that's a different story. If you should actively seek out people to help, or just help them when the opportunity arises is entirely in your hands. Morally, murder/killing is thought of as being "bad". However it's the definiton of murder/killing that shifts. This question would be better directed to Meditation/Philosophy.


Edited by stormbringer (01/04/07 03:21 PM)
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#312029 - 01/04/07 06:05 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: stormbringer]
UofM Shorin Ryu Offline
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Registered: 02/07/05
Posts: 981
Fine, I'll grab the bait....

Quote:


I no longer walk there, seeing that i was looking for an excuse to use what i learn.





Looking for trouble isn't exactly a noble cause. Remember, it's self-DEFENSE, not OFFENSE....

Quote:

But, i cant help to wonder, why learn if im not going to learn?





....what?.....

Quote:


if i have the ability, doesnt that give me the responsiblity to use it if i can?





I have the ability to kill. Does that mean I should exercise that ability just because I can? The fact that you REGULARLILY walk around with a huge (illegal) blade like that tells me I wouldn't ever want to be your friend, be associated with you, or know you. In fact, I'd feel safer if you sent me a PM with your name and location so I know which towns to avoid.....

Martial arts are about the ability to AVOID danger and fights and such. My sifu said it best, "The longer you do this, the less fights you actually have". You should be learning how to avoid these types of situations, not going on excursions looking for em!!


Quote:


should i walk along, helping when i see? or seek it out to help? Wheres the line between guardian and murderer?





You should go about your day. If you're looking for trouble ("seeking" to help as you put it...), you're no better that the worst scum out there. You should not willingly put yourself in a dangerous and hazardous situation if you are not trained to do so. Do not do a LEO's job, becuase you are not trained to handle such situations.

Where does the line lie between guardian and murderer? Well, you're treading it, that's for sure....

If you really wanna help, join the police force.
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#312030 - 01/04/07 06:26 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
srv Offline
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Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 139
Loc: SA, Australia
If the post is even slightly true....

Walking along at night in a dangerous area looking for an excuse to fight is not a noble thing to do, no matter how you perceive it. It's stupid and dangerous. We do martial arts to learn how to avoid these sorts of situations. Most people who train for a while and have some understanding of what it's all about, do not have a desire to try and find trouble to see if their skills "work" A martial artist has no "obligation" to act like a vigilante.

If you happened to come across a girl being attacked in such a way and used your skills to help her, I have no problem with that although a phone call to the police would have been a good idea at the time as well.

Ignoring the macho rhetoric and hard to believe explanation of how you took on those guys, those are my opinions. Don't go looking for trouble, but if you come across a situation where you can help then by all means go for it. But be careful, on another day both you and the girl could have ended up dead.

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#312031 - 01/04/07 06:45 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
Cord Offline
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Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
Quote:

and i did happen to get in trouble for the knife.





Presuming that neither of these guys died (did they?) you would be looking at charges of carrying an offensive weapon, and also charged with assault with a deadly weapon, irrespective of your motive, you would have to be weighed and measured in a court of law. I doubt you are writing these posts on remand, so tell me, as a matter of interest, what your bail was set at, what you were eventualy charged with, and when your prelimenary hearing is set for. I would also like you to link your local paper website with their coverage of this incident- it doubtless made the front page.

Of course, you could just be telling porky pies
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#312032 - 01/04/07 06:51 PM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
wristtwister Offline
like a chiropractor, only evil

Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2210
Loc: South Carolina
Let me give you the reasons I don't believe a word of this...
First, I live in the area, and I know how the press would treat an incident like this. Crime in Greenville is at an alarming rate, and the press is especially sensitive to sex crimes against children and young women... they're still reporting a story on a girl who disappeared 9 years ago... so a "fresh meat" story like this would be all over the place.

2. I read the police reports all the time. I haven't read any incident where two people ended up at the hospital with knife wounds that wasn't related to a "club" incident in the parking lot of a drinking establishment.

3. No hero praise... if you actually stopped a rape from happening, they would have you all over the television and newspaper lauding you as a hero... and the more you tried to stop it, the louder they would get... so give it a rest.

The sheriff here in town is a friend of mine, so I'll ask him to poke around and let me know if the incident is true or not. He would know if anybody got arrested for carrying a concealed knife after stopping a rape, cutting somebody, and especially two perps cut in stopping a rape.

Personally, I'd like to think it was true... because anybody that preys on weaker people like that deserve anything bad that happens to them. If the incident did happen, they're lucky it wasn't me that showed up... my knife goes "BANG" and blows a 40 caliber hole the size of your hand out the back side of their body... and mine's legal.

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#312033 - 01/05/07 08:25 AM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Ippon_Me_Mae]
Zombie Zero Offline
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Loc: Lorton, VA
I_M_M forgot to mention the part of the story where he tried to use a 2 dollar bill at Taco Bell.

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#312034 - 01/05/07 09:01 AM Re: Prevented a rape? good or bad? [Re: Zombie Zero]
Gavin Offline
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Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 2267
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I'm finding this tiresome now folks. I hold flag up and this breaches of the rules of our little tales forum. Feeding trolls or seekers of public adulation only encourages them to come back. Let's concerntrate our efforts on reality rather this tripe!

Thread locked!
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