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#310837 - 01/03/07 11:12 AM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: mark]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
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Loc: Oxford, England
Strange...I thought I knew best?

Oh well, at least if something like that happens to me I can unleash my fist of the flaming monkey
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#310838 - 01/03/07 11:34 AM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: mark]
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Sure as heck I don't. However, I'd like to hear some more detail than "just KO them". Surely there are more ways to protect yourself than that. I liked the suggestion of moving away from the door very much. Common sense suggestions like that are great because you can just implement it easily straight away without any training.
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#310839 - 01/03/07 11:53 AM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Leo_E_49]
Tom2199 Offline
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Registered: 04/18/04
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i would have thought the best way would be to trap the arm behind the back or some simple akido, jujitsu technique.

another thing i would be worried about would be catching and cutting the hand with the knife, that really bothers me silly i know.
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#310840 - 01/03/07 11:55 AM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
hedkikr Offline
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I hung back for a few just to see the range of reactions. Here's my take:

SD doesn't begin w/ techniques, it begins w/ awareness. The area looked very small & difficult to defend in. A standing position to the side would probably have been better from a tactical POV. BTW, how many of you walk w/ your hands in your pocket? (if you don't get the relavence of the question, you are the guard)

Also, most security guard training is lacking & many of those going into the field aren't Secret Service-level guys.

But one thing I noticed from the git-go was the method the perp used in his assault. It was VERY remeniscent of a prison shank attack. An inmate can stab you 6-10 times within 1-2 seconds w/ a sharpened toothbrush handle & you won't know you've been stabbed immediately (you'll think you were struck). This guy has done it before.

I was also disgusted @ the length of time it took for the shop employee(s) to react. This isn't unusual; it's what you can expect on the srteet if it ever happens to you.

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#310841 - 01/03/07 02:29 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: hedkikr]
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Good observations. I never thought about a hand in the pocket being an indicator of an attack coming.
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#310842 - 01/03/07 02:52 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Leo_E_49]
hedkikr Offline
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No...the point is when you walk w/ your hands in your pockets, your ability to protect yourself is compromised (even if you trip). SD means having ALL your tools available. It's the preparation that yields success or failure & preparation isn't just training - it's awareness & the ability to anticipate.

See my new thread.

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#310843 - 01/03/07 04:04 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: hedkikr]
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Ah, I get your point now.
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#310844 - 01/04/07 10:41 AM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: hedkikr]
wolfman Offline
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Registered: 01/21/06
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I am also disgusted by the lenght of time it toke to get help, but not surpised. It hard to be readly for a total surpise attack, I'm sure that guard had sat there many a day with nothing to do. I'm sure at first the other people didn't believe it was happening right in front of them. I wonder what if any changes have been made in their setup. It looks to be a very small shop in the video,can they change much.
Having spent a lot of time on guard ducty in the service, some posts where the orders where shoot first then shoot again, I can tell you it was boring. The couple of times we had a little something happen didn't make up for the hours and hours of bordom. You can't keep keyed up for ever, you will let your guard down. Then it's all about how you handle it when it hits the fan.

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#310845 - 01/04/07 11:59 AM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: wolfman]
Neko456 Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
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Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
The Guard did the best he could to control the knife hand. Again like the others have said I was shocked that help did come quicker and when it did come why not with a heavier item to swing. I'd like to know what the extent of the guards injuries.

But what can be seen is that just because you are stabbed numerous times you can still fight BACK. Not to say you won't die from the wounds later but give yourself a fighting chance Fight Back!!! And expect people to help you?? Thats what I got out of this ordeal.
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