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#310817 - 12/28/06 07:24 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Ted_Karate]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
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Loc: Oxford, England
The only thing that was effective about the actions of the shop keeper as far as I could see was that it delayed him to the point that the police got there.
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#310818 - 12/28/06 09:24 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: MattJ]
Alex89 Offline
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Registered: 04/24/04
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Loc: Montreal,Quebec,Canada
Wow! I don't think that any type of self-defense could of have helped the guard there.

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#310819 - 12/29/06 01:05 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: MattJ]
Victor Smith Offline
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Hi Matt,

Yes any unprovoked assault which might be deadly is horrifying.

Of course from a purely technical analysis, the person was incompetent because the victum lived, thank god for that.

There was as study a few years back I saw discussed that trained police officers walking down the street, and attacked by a chalk knife wielding assailant, suddenly, in most cases were unaware of the attack till cut, and many even didn't belive they were cut up till the chalk marks were pointed out.

Awareness is the key issue, a knife can be kept so concealed, even when openly displayed, that the defender's senses don't react quickly enough.

Compare that to the security guard's lax manner. It's rather obvious his sole purpose was to be there to grab snatch and run types. probably had been doing the job for too long, and both he and the store owner/manager didn't appreciate the danger of him sitting out there.

Many important issues to consider.
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#310820 - 12/29/06 05:07 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: MattJ]
Dedicated1 Offline
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Registered: 12/27/05
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Just a few things I noticed in the video.
1) The Guard saw the man trying to open the wrong side of the door, stumble around a little bit and then walk in. At that point the guard should have stood up.

2) After the attack has begun, the Guard never once hit the attacker, nothing has been done to defend himself other than trying to get a hold of the knife hand of the attacker. The only blows to the attacker were sent by people around him.

The attacker was obviously "on something" to let the blows to his head go almost unnoticed. If the guard had become the attacker, he would have defended better than he did. I am glad he has lived to see another day. Hopefully he has learned from this experience. As mentioned before, knife attacks are serious and very frightening. All you can do is limit your wounds and fight to stay alive.
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#310821 - 12/30/06 04:46 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Dedicated1]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


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What I don't get is 'why' he attacked him.
Maybe it was because he was on somthing but if for any other reason then what?

Revenge maybe? Why did he stab the first peron who was closest to him in the shop? why not someone else?
It seems to me that the guard was a pre-meditated target assuming that it wasn't a random attack caused by whatever it was he may have been on (if not drugs, adrenaline maybe?).
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#310822 - 12/30/06 04:56 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Perhaps because the guard is the most likely person to put up resistance against the robber. (I presume the guy was going to rob the store, looks like it might be a jewelry store)
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#310823 - 12/30/06 05:20 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Leo_E_49]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
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Loc: Oxford, England
In that case wouldn't stick up tactics be more effective? Since it was a concealed weapon he could have got into an advantagous position and taken a hostage until he got the money in the bag and then got out of there with little trouble, unless he got arrested first.
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#310824 - 12/30/06 05:47 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Good point. However, not everyone is that smart.
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#310825 - 12/30/06 05:50 PM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Leo_E_49]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
Posts: 1246
Loc: Oxford, England
Then that goes back to either he was on somthing or he targeted the guy in the first place, or he 'was' that stupid.
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#310826 - 12/31/06 11:51 AM Re: Horrifying knife attack [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
mark Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
Posts: 1284
Loc: uk
Im sure that you have all been in this sort of sitiation several times and that gives you an accurate position to judge from.

none of us would get bored at work and drift off, or sit down,
Nor would we allow our selves to be suprised by a knife whelding attacker.
We all would manitain a warriors awareness at all times.

Most definatly when under attack, none of us would feel fear or even panic, go into shock, suffer pain and blood loss.

we WOULD all draw upon years of training and in true movie style defeat the attacker with ease.

AS Leo says, we would use our Judo, grappling skills to get the knife REALLY close to us so that we could gain complete control over the blade and attacker.


Mark

PS: i wonder, was the guard wearing a stab vest?

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