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#308956 - 04/08/07 08:54 PM
Re: Union of ITF and WTF
[Re: VDJ]
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Tek, You haven't been reading the thread if your asking which one. They have ONLY been in discussion with the segment that is headquartered in N. Korea (ITF-NK), headed up by Chang Ung. Chang Ung is also on the IOC for NK. They are not acknowledging ITF Vienna or ITF Canada (headed up by General Chois son). This is one of the reasons why it is my belief that it is more politically motivated rather than diplomatically motivated. Still, with all the division within the ITF, their curriculum is far more organized than the WTF's is ! VDJ
Sorry Sir, the ITF-NK is headquartered in Vienna (Wein), Austria, in the same building that is owned by the ITF, which has served as the headquarters before the Founder died in 2001. In fact, the ITF Constitution, I think mandates the headquarters being in Austria. The ITF moved there in 1985, after being in North America (Canada) since 1972 & of course being in Asia (south Korea, in Seoul) since it was formed in 1966.
ITF-V is also in Vienna, but not in the original building. That is something that I imagine will be addressed by the court decision.
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#308957 - 04/09/07 06:32 PM
Re: Union of ITF and WTF
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So how would this work? Would it have olympic sparring and point sparring as seperate parts still, or combine the two?
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#308959 - 04/09/07 07:56 PM
Re: Union of ITF and WTF
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Eww why get so sensitive... I asked a simple question, which ITF organization. I made no mention about their curriculum. And besides, your wrong, their curriculum is no more organized than any school. I think you meant to say standardized and if thats the case so be it. I'm glad I am not apart of something that is standardized.
Because each person learns differently. I prefer each instructor brings in what they know not only from their TKD background but from all their MA experience. That way the art continues to grow, it doesn't stay stagnant. What works for one person may not work for another, each person finds their own fit. hehe this sounds like JKD doesn't it. Woot Woot 
First off, I answered your simple question and was not sensitive to it, but the answer to your question was already in the thread as it has only been about ITF-NK ! So shoot me for saying organized rather than standardized, you know exactly what I meant ! And Chang Hon has been very progressive in their training methods, but when you go to one of their schools and it comes time to perform the patterns, or techniques are called out, they will be the same in every school and not adapted to the instructors will. Yes, not everybody is the same or can perform the same, but a curriculum shouldn't be hodge podge either and it has been my experience that ITF schools do much better at this as well as teaching self defense than WTF schools do as they are too interested in teaching the sport side !
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#308960 - 04/09/07 08:00 PM
Re: Union of ITF and WTF
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So how would this work? Would it have olympic sparring and point sparring as seperate parts still, or combine the two?
ITF's sparring is continuous, it is no longer stop point and is very similar to olympic sparring except for the hands to the head.
VDJ
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#308961 - 04/09/07 08:09 PM
Re: Union of ITF and WTF
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So how would this work? Would it have olympic sparring and point sparring as seperate parts still, or combine the two?
Well thats the real question isn't it. Both styles are pretty much the same. The only minor differences are the kind of sparring and the forms for advancement. However, if the ITF wants what the WTF has which is Olympic recognition then they will have to change their style of sparring to WTF's way. I don't think the Olympic sparring will change because it would take away from TKD's uniqueness. What would happen if karate was introduced as a sport, what then would the ITF do would they compete as karate-men. 
Also you have to look at the negative effects, the ITF wants the popularity the WTF has that it is willing to become just as sports orientated as the WTF. They will become the very people they criticize. Will the quality of Chon hon TKD drop? Because once you start competing it becomes about winning and who's reputation and so worth.
Tek,
There has always been a big sport side to the ITF and have had very big competitions. There have also been some very succesful crossovers to olympic sparring as well. I agree that the ITF will probably have to adapt more so to the WTF rules, but there are discussions about changing some of that. Also, the criticisms are from both sides, not just ITF to WTF. And far as I'm concernd, making it an olympic sport is really what has been the downfall of the art. If you are not an enthusist, it is very boring to watch, and being an enthusist, I still find most matches to be boring. They need to do something to put some zing into it !
VDJ
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#308962 - 04/10/07 12:15 AM
Re: Union of ITF and WTF
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So how would this work? Would it have olympic sparring and point sparring as seperate parts still, or combine the two?
Well as has already been stated, the ITF has had continuous sparring, NOT the karate type stop match for at least 3 decades now. So the intergration with respect to the fighting rules will probably center around allowing punches to the head, as the ITF already does & the WTF is already thinking about, as an attempt to speed up the action for the spectators. It may also include having more points for more difficult techniques, like the ITF & gymnastics, diving etc have already.
As far as the patterns, who knows. That remains to be seen. maybe both sets will be allowed, or some combination of them allowed, possibly with the WTF having more, since they have a larger & stronger membership. However, many, including present day WTF, do think the ITF patterns are better.
We also have to see if the rules will now include power (breaking) & special techniques (flying breaking).
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#308963 - 04/10/07 12:16 AM
Re: Union of ITF and WTF
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Also you have to look at the negative effects, the ITF wants the popularity the WTF has that it is willing to become just as sports orientated as the WTF. They will become the very people they criticize. Will the quality of Chon hon TKD drop? Because once you start competing it becomes about winning and who's reputation and so worth.
This is my main concern!
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#308964 - 04/10/07 12:18 AM
Re: Union of ITF and WTF
[Re: VDJ]
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ITF's sparring is continuous, it is no longer stop point and is very similar to olympic sparring except for the hands to the head.
VDJ
Yes, that is correct. It has been that way, since at least 1984, if not sooner. In fact, it probably was sooner, but thats when I remember seeing it & falling in love with it.
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