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#308995 - 11/04/07 06:23 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: ITFunity]
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The most recent round of talks have been reported on the WTF website:

http://www.wtf.org/site/news/wtf.htm?realnum=183&page=1&keyword=&part=&mode=view

I have seen the WTF also report on the others as well.

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#308996 - 11/04/07 08:08 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: ITFunity]
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Wow, it looks like they are finally getting the ball rolling. So are they trying to come up with a new set of patterns and sparring rules for this new joint organization they are trying to create from the merger of these 2 bodies?

I've got to say, that if I actually cared about this, I would be impressed but. But hearing all the squable and debating that has gone on in this forum and over forums over the who's who of TKD and who owns the ights to this, who created that. This all just seems like a bunch of crap to me. Now I don't look down on anyone who find this interesting or anyone who supports this merger, after all it can bring some glimmer of hope to the people of North and South Korea to have find some sort of common ground, I'm all for it. But as far as having a regulating body over an art, well that just seems stupid to me. I find any organization even non profit ones always having to do with profit. Either they want cash or some sort of recognition for something. Why should the future of TKD be left in the hands of these 2 Giant bodies, why not leave it in the hands of the individual practitioners, those of us who do practice the art. not a bunch of guys in suits who probably no longer practice the art. I mean its like small school owner who all of a suddenwants to build a franchise, their school grows, he needs more space, more money comes rolling in, buys another school, soon the once excellent and wonderful teacher is now a business man, spending more time in the back room thinking of marketing schemes rather than spending time on the floor educating his students and sharing his passions as a result studying TKD.
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#308997 - 11/05/07 11:59 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: TeK9]
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Good points. However, this is just about seeing if they can come to some agreement on having both ITF & WTF compete in the Olympics. As you know, the WTF governs Olympic TKD. To date, the only way an ITF player can compete, is to get a WTF BB cert, follow the WTF rules/format, then compete & win a place on the team. This is just an attempt to make it more of a mix, allowing easier access for the ITF players.
I doubt we will really see any progress anytime soon.

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#308998 - 11/14/07 03:38 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: ITFunity]
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Why can't they just have both styles, like wrestling has two Olympic styles?
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#308999 - 11/14/07 06:28 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: trevek]
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Why can't they just have both styles, like wrestling has two Olympic styles?




Because its really NOT two different styles (techniques are the same, just different terminolgy, and my guess is that the terminology is only different in English, not Korean). The difference is as ITFunity states, sparring rule differences. I personally believe that the ITF rules make sparring more exciting. Hands are allowed and attempts at scoring are more frequent, and no, hand techniques DO NOT dominate, they kick alot. But the more I watch the Olympic elite, the bigger the snooze fest (I can honestly say that I have never seen an exciting Steven Lopez match). Now its not to say that I haven't seen good ones, my own instructor is a very accomplished Olympic fighter just missing the '92 Olympic team due to injury. But I have found more action on the videos I have seen from the ITF world championships (and yes, some of that was ugly too).

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#309000 - 11/29/07 12:47 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: VDJ]
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This may be going off topic somewhat, but it is related. It appears the USTF in the USA is allowing their members to affilaite to the ITF-V. The USTF will still exist, however, access to international certification & events will now be possible through the ITF-V.

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#309001 - 02/05/08 05:34 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: Umbra_777]
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Hi all, I would love to see a merge, you would see from day 1 an emergence of mutual respect for ITF and WTF especially from ea. other. And I support allowing punches in sparing it would dispel a lot of myths that WTFs can"t punch(box) ext. Taekwondo needs to merge to dispel the ignorance and deception that is out there mostly with its own practitioners regaurding the differences between ITF-WTF

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#309002 - 02/05/08 06:49 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: von1]
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I think it would be cool to get the best of both worlds. However, if they merge, i hope all of the forms and trditional aspects are preserved.
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#309003 - 02/05/08 07:57 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: TKD_X]
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I think it would be cool to get the best of both worlds. However, if they merge, i hope all of the forms and trditional aspects are preserved.




What do you mean the "best of both worlds"? They aren't really different with the exception of sine wave and the sparring rules. The techniques have different terminology, which is really only in english because in Korean they are the same.

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#309004 - 02/06/08 12:25 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: VDJ]
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Quote:

Quote:

I think it would be cool to get the best of both worlds. However, if they merge, i hope all of the forms and trditional aspects are preserved.



What do you mean the "best of both worlds"? They aren't really different with the exception of sine wave and the sparring rules. The techniques have different terminology, which is really only in english because in Korean they are the same. VDJ




No Sir, I don't think they really are the same. Now don't get me wrong, there are so much that they have in common, as all MAs do. However, in their desire to be different from Japanese Karate, they both went in different directions. Its funny, because many of the old guard in the WTF, the KTA & KukKiwon think ITF is karate. Of course that was what the general also said about these groups centered in SK.
The ITF & how they move is so far from how the WTF moves. SW is a huge difference, but so are the chambers & previous positions. The WTF has really developed some unique kicking as well. There is of couse the rules, as the WTF does 1 category in the Olympics & has a seperate Wcs for patterns. The ITF has 5 categories in the WCs. Their uniforms are different, as well as teir patterns & many other minor aspects as well.
Compare the kukkiown text with the encylopedia.

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