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#308945 - 12/26/06 04:40 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: Umbra_777]
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Registered: 09/17/06
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Loc: the Netherlands
They should not 'merge', because of the different forms and the differences in sparring. I don't think there's is a way for these styles to become one style. I do think they should allow ITF at the Olympics, or at least not call it Taekwon-do at the Olympics, but something like WTF Taekwon-do.
I hate it when people say: 'I saw taekwon-do on the Olympics, they were only kicking and shouting'.
Actually... I don't think WTF taekwon-do (nor ITF taekwon-do) is a real Olympic sport... although it is... hahaha you get the point.

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#308946 - 12/28/06 06:58 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: ITFunity]
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I think because both ITF and WTF, as well as independents, have taken part in TI championships then they might be accepted into Olympics etc.

I think some of the senior instructors in TAGB also have grades registered with WTF
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#308947 - 03/19/07 10:52 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: trevek]
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Well I see that the ITF-NK Demo Team is performing again in south Korea, Seoul in early April. The last time they were there was in December of 2002. There are many clips of that demo on you tube & the like. I am guessing that this is a result of the agreement signed by the ITF & WTF at the last Asian Games (Dec. 2002) to work towards technical intergration & administrative merger.

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#308948 - 03/27/07 01:35 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: JohnL]
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The ITF-NK website is reporting that the next meeting with the WTF regarding the technical intergration an administrative merger will take place at the end of March in Beijing, China.

Also during the April 6-9 goodwill tour of South Korea by the ITF-NK Demo Team, the ITF-NK president & IOC Member will pay a protocol visit to the WTF president to futher these aims.

I guess it is moving along!


www.internationaltaekwon-dofederation.com

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#308949 - 04/05/07 06:35 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: Umbra_777]
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I cant see how a merger would work. The two federations are so different I cant see how either could compromise. ITF has entirely different patterns to WTF, the sparring styles are completly different and mentality and philosophy are inately different. To compromise on any aspect would reshape the art. How would you manage a compromise, particularly on patterns, when they are completely different?
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#308950 - 04/05/07 09:01 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: warriortobe]
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I cant see how a merger would work. The two federations are so different I cant see how either could compromise. ITF has entirely different patterns to WTF, the sparring styles are completly different and mentality and philosophy are inately different. To compromise on any aspect would reshape the art. How would you manage a compromise, particularly on patterns, when they are completely different?




Don't be fooled here. This about politics. NK wants to get their players into the olympics (among other things I am sure). ITF members will probably adhere to the olympic sparring rules as it will be easier for them to conform rather than the rest of the world changing who have olympic teams. Now with that said, there really is not that much different between the 2. Putting patterns and the sine wave aside (as well as terminology), the techniques are pretty much the same. ITF's sparring is not that far off either. They do continuous sparring but allow the hands to the head. There are even some venues which allow full contact and KO's as well. I have traveled enough and visited enough of both orgs schools to know that they are not as different as people like to believe !

VDJ

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#308951 - 04/05/07 04:11 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: warriortobe]
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I don't see how why they can't unite under a single banner and have two distinct styles, like many Karate orgs do.
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#308952 - 04/05/07 10:21 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: trevek]
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Registered: 12/22/05
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Which ITF aren't there like 3 or 4 of them. How can the WTF unite with something that is completely disarray? The WTF does not need those kinds of complications. Especially since they are finally getting themselves straighten out particularly in the united states. Each state is re-organizing themselves so that when it comes to picking state and national champs for the Olympics there wont be so much confusion.
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#308953 - 04/06/07 03:42 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: TeK9]
VDJ Offline
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Tek,

You haven't been reading the thread if your asking which one. They have ONLY been in discussion with the segment that is headquartered in N. Korea (ITF-NK), headed up by Chang Ung. Chang Ung is also on the IOC for NK. They are not acknowledging ITF Vienna or ITF Canada (headed up by General Chois son). This is one of the reasons why it is my belief that it is more politically motivated rather than diplomatically motivated. Still, with all the division within the ITF, their curriculum is far more organized than the WTF's is !

VDJ

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#308954 - 04/07/07 10:44 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: VDJ]
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Registered: 12/22/05
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Eww why get so sensitive... I asked a simple question, which ITF organization. I made no mention about their curriculum. And besides, your wrong, their curriculum is no more organized than any school. I think you meant to say standardized and if thats the case so be it. I'm glad I am not apart of something that is standardized.

Because each person learns differently. I prefer each instructor brings in what they know not only from their TKD background but from all their MA experience. That way the art continues to grow, it doesn't stay stagnant. What works for one person may not work for another, each person finds their own fit. hehe this sounds like JKD doesn't it. Woot Woot
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