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#308925 - 12/19/06 11:18 AM Union of ITF and WTF
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Hey, I saw a news post on the WTF website about them meeting with the ITF trying to come to some sortof agreement or concenious (sp?) or something about Taekwondo. They said that they where currently trying to resolve differences in technique and would then resolve differences in managment style. What do you guys think.

Personaly I'm not sure I exactly know what is going on but I'm excited. ITF seems to be more self defense oriented but doesn't have the emphasis on sparing that WTF does. Mabey Olympic sparring might start allowing more punching

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#308926 - 12/19/06 11:23 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: Umbra_777]
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Yes many of us have been watching this for decades. They 1st started talks back in the early 80s. They have taken a more serious turn since 2003. They key to the talks are that it is not the WTF that is pushing it, as they would much prefer to just absorb the ITF. Rather it is the governments of the 2 Koreas that are pushing for it. So it will help the ITF pull it off, as it was a longtime held dream of their Founder. The question remains when & in what form???????

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#308927 - 12/20/06 04:39 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: Umbra_777]
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I am totally against the merge. I for one do not think any of the techniques in WTF TKD should change. I am only for change in the way most schools practice. I also want the emphasis on sport to go away. I don't want the underlying philosophy to be on winning. I want it to be on surviving. I am one to admit that much of the sports orientated aspect has evolved many of the WTF techniques for the better, such as the kicking and the footwork, however, there as also been a down side to this, a down side which afects WTF TKD as an effective martial arts system. By down playing or ignoring the hand technqieus all together has weaken the state of TKD in terms of self defense. Also by replacing effective hand techniques which are best for self defense and adding tricky kicking techniques such as spinng jumping kicks are axe kicks, you have decreased taekwondo not only as a system of self defense but as a real based fighting system. While at the sametime increased it's uniqueness as a combat sport.

This has change the philosophy from self control as a person (eastern value). To a more competative person (western value).
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#308928 - 12/20/06 10:50 AM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: TeK9]
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Well I am still unsure of the merger. However, it does sound like the merger may help your cause.

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#308929 - 12/21/06 03:21 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: ITFunity]
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I am for this merger 100% im hoping it will finish all the politics and allow both to compete in olympics. I think they both have some different techniques and footwork. it will be interesting to see how the sylabus changes (note im currently in TAGB).

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#308930 - 12/21/06 03:36 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: ShangTsung]
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Shang, I'm curious as to whether any merger will affect TAGB/ TKD International. When I was in TAGB they were not part of either ITF or WTF. Has this changed at all?
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#308931 - 12/21/06 03:45 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: trevek]
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To much drama within ITF people, in other threads they are talking about the appropriate title to call Gen. Choi. The WTF doesn't even acknowledge Gen. Choi at all. If you pick up a book by a TKD artist not part of the ITF, they wont even mention Choi. If the name Choi plays such a crucial role in ITF orgs, then I doubt this merger will ever happen. Names are of masters are really not an issue among WTF/Kukkiwon practitioners, only the competitors are known.
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#308932 - 12/21/06 03:52 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: TeK9]
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Funny thing is I was once on a seminar with GM General Ambassador Founder Choi and someone asked about different kinds of TKD. He declared there was only one TKD... his, and WTF practised 'phoney TKD'. That devil on my shoulder prompted the next question and I heard my mouth asking "Then how do you see any proposed merger with WTF?" Oh, if I had that look I wouldn't need a fridge.

The ITF guy with Gen Choi answered saying they'd talked with WTF and WTF were prepared to cooperate in any way possible.

That was in 1994. Later an open letter from Gen C. was printed in TKD times, decrying WTF.

sadly, I think it is only the General's death which has allowed this new development.
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#308933 - 12/21/06 04:50 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: ShangTsung]
ITFunity Offline
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Quote:

I am for this merger 100% im hoping it will finish all the politics and allow both to compete in olympics. I think they both have some different techniques and footwork. it will be interesting to see how the sylabus changes (note im currently in TAGB).





My gut feeling is that the competition rules will change just slightly. maybe to allow more punches or hand techniques. The competition may also be expanded to include other events such as patterns, power, special techniques & SD routines. These all are presently part of the ITF tournaments, so they may want it to be broadened.

Also the ITF will most likely push for their patterns to be used. Many WTF people do say they like them. Some even do them. Maybe that will be part of the package. Of course, next comes the federations themselvesd. Will there be 1 or 2? If they merge as well, what form would it take?

However, no matter what happens, little will change in individual schools, unless they want to adopt the new sparring rules. What will happen & it is already happening, is the ITF will lose some of its standardization. Any merger will most likely speed up & increase the effect. JMHO

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#308934 - 12/21/06 04:52 PM Re: Union of ITF and WTF [Re: TeK9]
ITFunity Offline
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U R Rite!

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