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#308488 - 12/17/06 12:35 PM how hard do you hit a pp
princeofleaves Offline
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how hard are you supposed to hit a pp

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#308489 - 12/17/06 05:29 PM Re: how hard do you hit a pp [Re: princeofleaves]
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Depends. You need to mix yin and yang. If you hit all hard, uke tightens up and nothing works. Some points you just touch. Some you rub or twist. Some you hit lightly. In practice including practice KO work, of course, don't hit anyone harder than you yourself would want to be hit. Come to an agreement with your uke. You are generally practicing back and forth with someone of similar skill.

When your life depends on it, make your hard strikes harder. You just can't practice that way except on a Bob or on a bag or focus pad.

It isn't about hard though most of the time. It is about technique and targeting. You want to hit in a relaxed manner that transfers the energy into the point.
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#308490 - 04/26/07 07:44 PM Re: how hard do you hit a pp [Re: underdog]
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You don't always hit a pressure point though. Some pressure points liuke to be hit, some like to be pressed, and some like to be rubbed. A bit like people really.

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#308491 - 04/27/07 07:09 AM Re: how hard do you hit a pp [Re: Angharad_Rhydd]
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#308492 - 07/13/07 05:30 AM Re: how hard do you hit a pp [Re: underdog]
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If you're training? Do whatever it takes to activate the point as lightly as possible. Work on not looking at the point as well if you can so that you can start to locate them by touch. Just get a result, a tingle, a slight burn etc, as if you go bashing each other you're going to have very short training sessions.

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#308493 - 10/31/07 05:20 PM Re: how hard do you hit a pp [Re: practica]
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In a fight .... as hard as you possibly can.

To say that Points do not work if struck too hard is one of the many myths put about by certain groups.

Simple test... hit a point.. then hit it harder and see if it hurts less or more!

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#308494 - 12/03/07 12:43 PM Re: how hard do you hit a pp [Re: Russell_Stutely]
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In a fight .... as hard as you possibly can.

To say that Points do not work if struck too hard is one of the many myths put about by certain groups.
Simple test... hit a point.. then hit it harder and see if it hurts less or more!


THAT, is the funniest (I.E. "un"accurate) thing I've read so far....

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#308495 - 12/05/07 09:41 AM Re: how hard do you hit a pp
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why is that inaccurate? it's simple physics. given any specific target and surface area, if there is more force transmitted, there will be more damage.

thats the danger of the magic button theorists...they get so caught up in trying to learn how to drop someone with a light tap, that they avoid the much more difficult training of learning efficient power generation.

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#308496 - 12/05/07 11:00 AM Re: how hard do you hit a pp [Re: Ed_Morris]
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“why is that inaccurate? it's simple physics. given any specific target and surface area, if there is more force transmitted, there will be more damage.

thats the danger of the magic button theorists...they get so caught up in trying to learn how to drop someone with a light tap, that they avoid the much more difficult training of learning efficient power generation. “

Because it ignores the idea of a “Kyusho” point. “physics” is not the correct concept. If that were the case, then whom ever is Bigger, stronger would always be the victor in a given situation. “Kyusho” translates as “vital point”. There is no implication as to how, or why (this is for the individual to determine) I illustrate to my students all the time “kyusho” points which cause no pain in and of themselves, but without contact with, the technique would fail utterly. “Knock-outs” are a very small part of Kyusho techniques. Pain or unconciesness (in and of itself) is not always the desired reaction.

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#308497 - 12/05/07 08:10 PM Re: how hard do you hit a pp
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flawed logic. you assume that just because someone can hit very hard that they don't know where to hit?

take two people the same size and age who have equally studied kyusho the same number of years - one strikes with mediocre impact, the other strikes with twice the force.

which strike does more damage?

last time I checked, 'force' in this case is an exact match to the representation of 'force' in physics.


by the way, I hate to break this to you, but if everything else is equal, bigger and stronger actually DO have a significant edge.

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