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#308092 - 01/15/07 11:24 AM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: crablord]
Stormdragon Offline
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Registered: 08/05/04
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Lets imagine Crabby is a transvestite and some guy is pushing it around making it sad and then tries to smack it...The transvestite crabby kicks the guy in the crotch. There we go.
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#308093 - 01/15/07 11:50 AM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: Stormdragon]
MattJ Offline
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Topic, please.
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#308094 - 01/15/07 12:00 PM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: MattJ]
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SIRE YES SIR!!!!
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#308095 - 01/15/07 12:18 PM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: crablord]
Midnightcrawler Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 184
Loc: England
Hi Crabbie.

Quote:

When you take a karate class, you are not taking a boxing class, you are taking a karate class, that includes the physical and mental sides of karate. This includes their philosophies. Want the straight up fighting with no bs? pay for boxing. The bottom line is, that instructors are the ones who are going to know more than us, and from your posts, you could really use some of the mental aspects of martial arts.




I have long since worked out the philosophical and mental aspects of life which are of benefit to me. I do not need some outsider trying to interfere with or modify that which I already know. I can understand why a person of 15 years of age (which is your age if your traceable details are correct) would seek guidance, but why seek it from a sensei, effectively a stranger? Why not seek this aspect of your education from your family, mother, father, sister or brother, someone with blood ties who you can trust? A sensei is no more qualified to provide these aspects than 'the man in the moon', unless they hold professional accredited qualifications in the subject.

You are quite right, I do want the physical side and just that. Why not boxing and why karate? Well karate, TKD, and Krav Maga teach use of all limbs and all ranges, which is something missing in boxing. They also teach the bodies weak and vulnerable points which boxing does not.

Once you have a few years under your belt we'll talk about this again, as I'm pretty sure that you will mature and your views will evolve over the intervening time. DEAL?


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A question for you please. What makes you think that you assume a sufficient level of importance in someone else's life that they would A) want to, and B)try to kill you?


..weird question. Ok first, most of the time its not someone you know, its randoms on the street. If it is, its (as suggested before) a boyfriend/girlfriend situation. And to the question, no I dont think anyone I know would want to kill me, though I have had my fair share of randoms trying to knock my head in. I posted a topic on one of these not long ago infact




Well now, I think the question to ask is; WHY "have you had your fair share of randoms?" What were you doing to attract the attentions of the undesirables? I guess that most blokes worldwide have had a few schoolyard punch-ups, it seems to be and always was 'par for the course' and part of growing up. However, in the main most of us grow out of it as we realise that it is a senseless way of behaving, which has no benefit to anyone. It is usually testosterone fueled posturing which generally fails in its objective of impressing the girls, because it does not impress the girls who if my memory serves me right were (and probably still are) far too intelligent to be impressed by stupidity.

Regards and stay safe. Stay away from these testosterone fueled 'randoms'

MC
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#308096 - 01/15/07 12:28 PM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: Midnightcrawler]
crablord Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
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Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
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I can understand why a person of 15 years of age (which is your age if your traceable details are correct) would seek guidance, but why seek it from a sensei, effectively a stranger? Why not seek this aspect of your education from your family, mother, father, sister or brother, someone with blood ties who you can trust?



Because they dont know diddly squat about self defence, a sensei does. Sure its a complete stranger, but so is the kindegarden teacher who you give your kids to every day. Learn to trust people.

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Once you have a few years under your belt we'll talk about this again, as I'm pretty sure that you will mature and your views will evolve over the intervening time. DEAL?



no deal, I dont need 10 years of karate experience to know that you are dead wrong on most of these matters.

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Well now, I think the question to ask is; WHY "have you had your fair share of randoms?


Ive provoked fights, and Ive had situations where Ive been hammered for no reason at all. People are unpredictable, which comes back to the topic, preemptive strikes. You seem to be against this, as you fear the legal consequences, have you not considered that its better to be alive and getting sued than dead and with a perfect record? Im advocating striking an attacker when they are behaving dangerously and can injure you. You seem totally against this for almost laughable reasons. A simple yes or no question for you. Is the law more important to you than your/others safety?
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#308097 - 01/15/07 12:48 PM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: crablord]
Midnightcrawler Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 184
Loc: England
Hi Crabbie

Quote:

Storm - I dont want to do _______ with you
mattj - Please?
storm - no, dont come near me, I already told you i dont want to.
*matt grabs/approaches storm anyway
*storm punches matt in the head.





This is an excellent example of the 'right' time to respond in a display of CONTROLLED violence, as in this example Matt has grabbed Storm. In this example you have got it totally right. Although having been grabbed, Storm is not pre-empting anything, the assault is in progress and she is defending herself. It makes a big difference, 'at least to me it does'. If Matt is just approaching Storm then why doesn't she just get the hell out of there? Run away, there's no shame in running, it's a valid SD technique. In the majority of instances running isn't used due to ego taking over. For some reason ego is less prevalent in females than in males, testosterone again I expect.

To answer your other question. The upholding of the law of the land is the responsibility of ALL good citizens. I personally loath paying tax but I do so because it is the law. If it was to be made voluntary I wouldn't do it.

MC.


Edited by Midnightcrawler (01/15/07 12:58 PM)

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#308098 - 01/15/07 12:55 PM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: Midnightcrawler]
crablord Offline
th3 t4sty sn4ck

Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 1530
Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
Quote:

This is an excellent example of the 'right' time to respond in a display of CONTROLLED violence, as in this example Matt has grabbed Storm. In this example you have got it totally right. Although having been grabbed, Storm is not pre-empting anything, the assault is in progress and she is defending herself. It makes a big difference, 'at least to me it does.


That was my example of when I would strike, and when it should be used. And I did say grabs/moves towards - the latter of which a strike would be "preemptive" as noone has exchanged blows/contact.

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To answer your other question. The upholding of the law of the land is the responsibility of ALL good citizens. I personally loath paying tax but I do so because it is the law. If it was to be made voluntary I wouldn't do it.


Thats True, and actually quite honorable, but you have left out the other part of your opinion. That this law is above our right to survive. Personally id rather break the law, and live. Not a hard choice in my eyes, and for you? I would consider that a good view to teach upon others. ESPECIALLY not girls.

(EDIT!!!) ok first dont edit your posts and add a major paragrath in, make a new post. You said its better to run. Lets assume we're... outside a bar with your mates. Some drunk is raving to you and gets too close, you can either A) run, preserve yourself, but embarass yourself or B) Whack him and make him back off. Thats a more bloky situation. Sure if the time calls for it then run away, but lets say you cant. You are bringing up otehr option,s but are trying to drift away from THE topic, which is preemptive strikes, not things to do INSTEAD. And i dont see anything wrong with them


Edited by crablord (01/15/07 01:03 PM)
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#308099 - 01/15/07 01:36 PM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: Midnightcrawler]
globetrotter Offline
does unto others before they do unto him

Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 637
Loc: ny usa
MNC,

I think that we are tied up (or at least I am) on the "never" - ok, let me try this question - it is 4 am, you have just gotten in off of an 8 hour flight, and you are in a city that isn't your home. you are walking to your hotel from the train station, and, a block or so from your hotel, a man is walking on the sidewalk towards you, not terribly threatening. you have a heavy garment bag/computer bag from your shoulder, and he is between you and your hotel.you take the right side of the wide sidewalk, and he vers toward your path. you shift left, and he shifts left. you stop, and he says "got any money for me?", with a vaguly threatening look. you say no, and shift again, and he shifts into your path and says again "I want your money".

what do you do?

this is something, by the way, that happened to me.

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#308100 - 01/15/07 02:13 PM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: globetrotter]
Stormdragon Offline
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Loc: Salem, OR
I'M A GUY!!!
And do unto others BEFORE they do unto you.
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#308101 - 01/15/07 02:17 PM Re: POLL - Pre-emptive strikes? [Re: globetrotter]
mark Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
Posts: 1284
Loc: uk
errr Crablord, sorry but this is a silly thing to say:-

"Because they dont know diddly squat about self defence, a sensei does"

Most sensei teach Ineffective by the numbers MA, with little personal real world experience.
The idea being to get as many students as possible and take as much money from them as possible.

mark

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