FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Stretching
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
Calligraphy
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

MOTOBU
Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
0 registered (), 30 Guests and 3 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
SenseiGregT, sagat, JFawkes, pluckysaga39, sgtdemeo
22911 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Dobbersky 5
AndyLA 5
Ed_Morris 4
futsaowingchun 3
ergees 3
September
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30
New Topics
2014 World Championships Chelyabinsk: The Gallery
by ergees
Yesterday at 03:51 AM
Biu Tzu- Snake hand strike
by futsaowingchun
08/27/14 09:02 PM
Chum Kiu 2nd section applications
by futsaowingchun
08/20/14 09:54 PM
2013 World Championship Rio: The Gallery (HD)
by ergees
08/19/14 05:22 AM
Chi Sao demonstration
by futsaowingchun
08/14/14 10:57 PM
Decent Fight channel
by FrankyFruits
08/07/14 09:19 PM
2014 European Championships Cadets Athens: Videos
by ergees
08/07/14 10:00 AM
Life goes on....
by Dobbersky
08/07/14 05:59 AM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Bartfast
08/05/14 04:18 PM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by Dobbersky
07/10/14 07:14 AM
Recent Posts
2014 World Championships Chelyabinsk: The Gallery
by ergees
Yesterday at 03:51 AM
** Introduce Yourself! **
by Zombie Zero
08/29/14 10:50 PM
mindfullness meditation
by log1call
08/28/14 02:39 AM
Biu Tzu- Snake hand strike
by futsaowingchun
08/27/14 09:02 PM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Ed_Morris
08/26/14 09:58 PM
The Karate punch
by Ed_Morris
08/26/14 09:27 PM
Chum Kiu 2nd section applications
by futsaowingchun
08/20/14 09:54 PM
2013 World Championship Rio: The Gallery (HD)
by ergees
08/19/14 05:22 AM
attacked from behind
by AndyLA
08/16/14 04:59 PM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by VDJ
08/15/14 05:46 PM
Forum Stats
22911 Members
36 Forums
35573 Topics
432484 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Topic Options
#306939 - 12/20/06 09:24 PM Re: Gojushiho Dai (Sho) ;) [Re: sepai]
Unsu Offline
Member

Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 142
Loc: San Antone, Tejas
Quote:

Unsu,
Out of my whole 20 years of research I have never came across that Itosu ever made or had two gojushiho katas. He did have two in bassai and kusanku. The only other styles I know of that ever practise these two katas are the shotokan style and maybe some off shoot styles. Some people don't relize that the shotokan katas were all modified and some techniques changed. They did this for tournament purposes, to look appealing.All the shorin ryu styles I have ever heard about there is only one gojushiho kata. The JKA shotokan peolple created the other kata, in this case the sho, from the main one and gave them the names dai and sho just to differentiate from the two. Now you said that shorinkan has two? From what organization is that from? The only shorinkan I know of is the koboyashi shorin ryu shorinkan under Nakazato Sensei. They only practise one version of the gojushiho. Unless there has been an instructer that has added it to his school from the shotokan style, that does happen.I am not saying your wrong, Iam just telling you what I have learned from my experiences so far. Maybe you have info that I don't know, who knows, hehehehhe. I studied shotokan for 20 years and now study shito ryu for the past 10 years. Kenwa Mabuni learned all the katas from Itosu. There is only one gojushiho kata in shito ryu. Mabuni never deleted or changed anything to my knowledge. I hope this helps.




It was Shorin Ryu Shorinkan Okinawan Karate-Do/ Nakazato Sensei. Not Yamashiota's org, Miyahira's or Shinjinbukan.

You're right. Shorinkan and the other Shuri Te influenced Ryuha only have one Gojushiho. I got it twisted with Passai/Patsai Dai and Sho.

The formulation of the Dai and Sho forms was probably a JKA thing. I was told the reasoning for this and the Itosu story by a BB who trained in Shorin Ryu with me but who use to be a BB in the JKA (Shotokan). He must have been talking out the back of his neck.

My bad. Concentrate on the Dai version, since it's probably closest to the original Shuri Te form. Later and Happy Holidays!!!

Top
#306940 - 12/28/06 02:21 PM Re: Gojushiho Dai (Sho) ;) [Re: Unsu]
roninofGa Offline
Member

Registered: 10/02/05
Posts: 57
just throwing in my two cents. I originally was taught sho and Dai versions of this kata. As we all know Itosu changed or "tweaked" almost all of his kata at sometime or another.
I always just assumed that it was he who took Useishi and split it up into Sho and Dai.I found it interesting that most fingers point to Shotokan for the addition of Dai (or Sho). Funakoshi in his book Tote Jutsu written in 1925 refers to just a single kata of Gojushiho. So with Shito-ryu and others only doing one and with that from Funakoshi, the second one came after 1925.

Top
#306941 - 12/31/06 03:18 AM Re: Gojushiho Dai (Sho) ;) [Re: roninofGa]
sepai Offline
Newbie

Registered: 12/13/06
Posts: 10
Loc: Ca, USA
Ronin,
The best I can explain this is that the JKA changed a lot of their kata's. They changed niseishi and then called it nijushiho. They did the same with unsu and sochin and others. The reason for this I can guess is that they (the Japanese) wanted it to be separated as far as they could from Okinawan karate because the Japanese looked down on them. So they changed around all the moves and names. They did this around the late 40's and early to mid 50's. Some of the kata's that were added were sochin by Gigo Funakoshi, Unsu, nijushiho, gojushiho, were added by Nakayama when Gichin Funakoshi sent him and sometimes Isao Obata to learn kata's from Kenwa Mabuni. They brought these kata back and changed them or shotokanized them. I think Funakoshi talks about this in his book called Nyumon. The rest of this information I got from Sensei Nishiyama. As well as interviews done with Nakayama Sensei, who stated this. However, those kata were never officailly a part of the shotokan style. They were just experimental kata or extra kata. Funakoshi mentions this in his book and states that students should just spend more time on the 15 kata that Funakoshi learned and brought to the system.This is why the SKA under Oshima Sensei only practise those 15. I hope this helps.

Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2


Moderator:  Cord, MattJ, Reiki 




Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Monthly
Only $89
Details

Stun Guns
Variety of stun gun devices for your protection

Buy Pepper Spray
Worry about your family when you’re not around? Visit us today to protect everything you value.

Koryu.com
Accurate information on the ancient martial traditions of the Japanese samurai

C2 Taser
Protect yourself and loved ones from CRIME with the latest C2 Taser citizen model. Very effective.

 

 



Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga