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#306726 - 04/28/07 11:26 AM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: MattJ]
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Hi MattJ

Ok I see GTís point. My point is become a grappler.

Imo if you donít what to learn grappling, then youíre not serious about self-defense.

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#306727 - 04/28/07 11:57 AM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: ExCon]
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Agreed, my friend. Just making a note as to the intended audience for the article.
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#306728 - 05/09/07 11:29 AM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: drgndrew]
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#306729 - 05/09/07 11:56 AM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: drgndrew]
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Thanks Drew. We appreciate the updates. I did see this in the article, and wish to comment:

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Some schools of thought advocate the latter as a first line of defence, advising their practitioners to throw themselves to the floor before an attacker and fight from there. This is about as sensible as telling someone to throw themselves into a fire to get warm. Don't do it. If I could find one word to describe this kind of advice it would have to be [censored]!




While I agree with him that that advice is [censored] for most SD purposes, I have NEVER heard a reputable grappling school that advocates that. I think Geoff may be mis-interpreting BJJ tournament tactics (where this would be viable) with SD. No one I know of in BJJ advocates "throwing themselves to the ground in front of an attacker" in a real fight. I know I certainly wouldn't.
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#306730 - 05/09/07 09:45 PM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: MattJ]
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G'day Matt,

I have to admit i hadn't actually heard that, personally, either, Though i had heard others say they have heard it. ( friend of a friend sort of thing)

At the time DOA was written BJJ was the new unbeatable thing, At the time time BJJ was defeating every one. I can see that some instructors would have advocated going to the ground as a first line of defence. Nowadays they know a little better, the majority agree the ground is a place to avoid in the street. and in general we al understand that sometimes gravity wins so we should know what to do if we get there.

Still with some of the arrogance displayed by a few grapplers ( same goes for some strikers and other experts) it wouldn't surprise me if there's not a school/club out there advocating just that practice. (Not aimed at any one in particular so don't go getting your back up)

PS i still don't feel comfortable posting on the open forum, But I would like to see this thread through.
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#306731 - 05/10/07 07:22 AM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: drgndrew]
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Fair enough. I do appreciate the updates and insights.
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#306732 - 06/16/07 09:23 AM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: drgndrew]
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Thank you. I look forward to reading it.
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#306733 - 06/16/07 09:43 AM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: drgndrew]
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First I have to say that while I have never thought about throwing myself to the floor in front of an opponent in a real fight, itís happened in MMA in the past. I donít see it as much any more but Jeremy Horn was doing a fair bit of it in his last fight with Chuck Liddell.

But there is a reason for this. 1) Horn was getting beaten around by Liddell. 2) Horn couldnít take Liddell down. That means, you do what you have to do to avoid getting KTFOíd. Jeremy did and the result was a tactical decision that was based upon specific circumstances, like ALL decisions are made.


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Still with some of the arrogance displayed by a few grapplers ( same goes for some strikers and other experts) it wouldn't surprise me if there's not a school/club out there advocating just that practice. (Not aimed at any one in particular so don't go getting your back up)





I think we have to note the difference between arrogance and confidence. Arrogance is based upon a sense of often unwarranted pride. Confidence is based on proof. Good grapplers believe the things they do because of "proof of results" from what they have experienced.

I believe people should be aware of this.



-John

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#306734 - 06/27/07 10:13 PM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: JKogas]
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[quoteI think we have to note the difference between arrogance and confidence. Arrogance is based upon a sense of often unwarranted pride. Confidence is based on proof. -John




I know the difference between the two terms. I agree with your definitions except that I would had that confidence is the belief in oneself ( or ones abilities ). whilst arrogance is the belief one is superior to others.

I fully intended to use the term arrogance.

back to lurking....again
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#306735 - 08/11/07 07:51 AM Re: GT's 'Dead or Alive' - Online [Re: drgndrew]
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Chapter Fifteen - Defence Against a Weapon

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