Eye strikes, groin strikes, and other types of "Dirty Fighting" are great to have in your arsenal. You just can't expect them to be finishers. These types of attacks are really only meant for you to get the upper hand. If I send an eye strike at my attacker, it doesn't matter whether his reaction is violent or he falls to the ground screaming. I am only using that strike to give me an opening to send more viloent attacks. The sooner I turn the tables on him, the better my odds of surviving the attack. The same goes for a groin stike, I am using it to set up for more attacks. They are all meant to distract your attacker, even if it is only for a split second.

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I think your argument isn't really holding up.

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So, you say my argument isn’t holding up. Now what I’d like you to do is to tell me basically in sentence or two, exactly what my argument IS. Because I don’t think you really know.

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What else can you give me?

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I can’t give you a thing because, 1) I’m not arguing with you and 2) you’re unable to see the point I’m making. In fact, I believe you’re SO far from seeing the point that I’m making that if it were a star, the light leaving it would not reach you for a few years.

However, I always enjoy chatting with you because its such a challenge to try and make a point. In fact, Chinese arithmetic might be easier to do. But its all good. Now, go practice your eye boinks on your BOB bag. Remember, 100 on the right and 100 on the left.


-John

You're making the point that eye strikes are not able to be practiced 'live' or 'Alive' while going all out and so should not be practiced at all. Yes?

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that it's better to have a highly developed skill-set cultivated through alive training FIRST. THEN when that is in place, adding the "dirty" stuff/foul tactics becomes an easy process.

However, placing the foul tactics above alive training is putting the cart in front of the horse. Many people do that and just train those tactics as a way of avoiding that 8 to 10 year process of hard training, sweating, taking your advil, etc.

Foul tactics are fine. They are no substitute for legitimate skill in the ranges of stand-up, clinch and ground though. That has to be the top priority, then add whatever foul tactics you desire. I'm not saying that they are worthless at all.


-John

Storm,

Oh to be young and know it all again!!

I really hate when someone describes karate they say how deadly it is and then go on to describe eye gouges, groin shots, and pulling hair,lol.This does not describe karate techniques at all!!! Come on now, how hard is it to teach these dirty tactics? Not very,heck, your everyday thug knows this,but the fact remains you fight how you train and you use what you practice under pressure. I truly think these things and other d3adly techniques should indicated in practice though.

Exactly Brian. Its good to know that SOME folks get it. Not everyone does or will. Unfortunately, modern society has taken natural selection out of the picture, lol.



-John

How do you even go about practicing eye gouges? By definition it involves gouging someone's eyes out. Doing anything less is just make-believe. Actually gouging as part of training is just laughable (stupid, illegal, etc).

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That's all I've been saying. Pretend training is fine I suppose, so long as you do some REAL training to supplement it every now and again, lol


-John

See I htought you've been preachign that pretend training is terrible and worthless no matter what.
And yes i'm proud ot know it all! lol jk

I don't want to get too far in to this, but........

If your training to climb Everest, you don't climb Everest everyday. You simulate, imagine and extrapolate. You don't have to be hit by a car to know it will hurt.

The eye is not as tough as many are giving it credit for. It is a part of the nervous system and quite easy to damage. Sure it can handle a light-ish poke and even a scratch, but there is no way someone can not instinctively react to it. But gouging will cause damage, otherwise why do it.

There are a lot of comments made here that I want to comment on..... but for the sake of a calm boat, I won't