Why am I doing this? I fell in love with this form, and I'm trying to find the perfect one so I can practice it for the rest of my life - I'm sure many others will be helped also.

IMHO there is NO perfect form. What makes the form perfect is how the movements are executed. It really doesn’t matter which form it is, if the body structure and intent of the form is not correct then the usefulness of doing the form is sacrificed.


This thread is very, very specific to the 5 Elements Linking Form - not other drills or accusations of fake training or anything negative! Let's keep this thread simple and clean. I don't want to get kicked out of here also.

Keep in mind that not everyone here is familiar with what the 5 elements linking form is and not all of the clips you posted are solely the 5 elements linking form so you are bound to get some confusion.
Keeping the thread simple and clean shouldn’t be an issue so long as you do not make it one.


1. Which one of the videos do you think has the more complete form in terms of being able to execute all of the elements and their jing and combat practicality in the best ways possible for one's own practice regimen?

Once again, the folks on this forum may not be as familiar with the topics presented in you questions so you may end up with a bit of confusion. Perhaps you would consider simplifying your questions in order to elicit a more simple response.
Not everyone here is all that familiar with jing and how it applies to Xingyiquan.
As for combat practicality, I think that depends entirely on whether or not you train the arts properly. You are not going to learn to fight from the form alone. Learning to fight with an art and learning how a form is expressed in fighting requires a solid amount of training with others and a good teacher that knows how the art and its forms function. That being said. Good xingyi is extremely functional.


For example some forms are really short and even lack some of the 5 Elements so when you drill the form you get less chances to execute techniques and jing power in practice.

Are you referring specific forms that you have posted here? IMO - you could practice one of the 5 elements to the point where you could apply it in many different ways. Do you think that a specific element is going to be applied like it is in the form in a fighting situation?


Some are longer and more practical for combat situations with all of the Elements being done forward and backward. The opinion and choice will be yours and vary based on what people know. In short, no one is absolutely right on this one.

The length of a form has nothing to do with how effective it is in a combat situation. Whether or not the form is practical depends entirely on HOW you train it. Do you just do the form? Or do you actually take the time to pull it apart and see exactly how many ways the jing of the form can be executed?


2. Which one is the best manifestation of the spirit of Xing Yi in your opinion?

I think I get what you are after here. Are you asking about the intent of the form being presented?

Now on to the forms themselves….

Clip 1: Shanxi Xing Yi
I am not all that familiar with Shanxi style. That being said, I thought that the guys in the first two clips presented a good representation of whole body power. Good structure and a solid intent. The last portion of the clip appears to be a 2 man set with a very fluid and sticky quality to it. It is these types of exercises that are key to making Xingyi functional.

Clip 2: Fu Zhongwen's student
This form looks similar to the form that I do. It looks like the end of the form has been shaved off, probably due to the lack of space. Nice power and intent and good structure. I wouldn’t expect less from one of Fu Zhongwen's students.

Clip 3: Chang Dong Sheng (The Shuai Chiao King)
This linkage is not a very good representation of quality Xingyiquan. I have the utmost respect for Master Chang, he was an amazing Shuai Chiao guy, however, he was not know for his xingyi.

Clip 4: Li Tai Liang
Good structure and intent, nice representation of fajing. There were some points in the form though that seemed to be a bit more performance oriented, (when he is ‘running‘ forward), it looked as if his power was continuous throughout the entire sequence though.

Clip 5: Sun Jian Yun
I liked this one. She clearly has good whole body power. Although her intent appears to be soft, it is still a strong willed intent. She appears to have a bit of a hunch, but that could simply be due to age.

Clip 6: Hung I-Hsiang
Personally one of my favorites. These are the 2 Xingyi linking forms that I train. The first time down and back is one form (a simple linking of the 5 elements) the second time down and back is the linkage that I do later in this list of clips.
Hung I-Hsiang has a solid and continuous power that is quite representative of the Yizong system of Hebei Xingyiquan and Gao style Baguazhang.

Clip 7: Sifu Rudy
Quality movement, intent, power generation, I think that this is an overall great representation of some quality Xingyiquan. I personally like how he demonstrates each of the elements/fists individually before he demonstrated the linkages.

Clip 8: An unknown woman
Good form. Her intent seemed to be a bit shallow though. It looked to me like she was holding herself back a bit.

Clip 9: Unknown man in red
Not bad - not as continuous as I like to see it though. Overall good power generation, structure and intent.

Clip 10: Unknown man from training VCD
Kind of difficult to say - the slow motion doesn’t allow a very good opportunity for examination. Full speed allows me to see the demonstration of dropping power more easily.

Clip 11: Unknown man doing what he calls "Attack Retreat 5 Elements Linked"
Interesting. I have never seen the form done in reverse. Pretty neat.

Clip 12: Wang Shu Jin
Great representation of utilizing continuous power in the form. He applies fajing, however, he does not have to stop and reset to do so.

Clip 13: Woooo hoooo I am on the list.

Clip 14: Unknown Chinese dude (also does BaGua)
His forward power looks good, but his dropping power looks to be a bit shallow. His intent looks like it is a bit more ‘Baguaesque’ in nature. It is not as fierce as most Xingyi intent usually is.

Clip 15: Wai Lun Choi
Looks like he rushed through things. His intent is not as solid possibly due to his speed.

(We have a bit of snow here in Colorado today so I had a few extra minutes to pick this apart. )
Chris Haynes