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#303929 - 11/27/06 04:06 PM Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form
HiddenPalm Offline
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[NOTE: This thread is being reposted and "rewritten" here because it really angered the administration at the EmptyFlower forums to the point where I got banned where I could no longer update the original video list being updated by the EmptyFlower community in the thread. Originally it was posted as a contest, but too many got confused and got all competative on an internet forum (emptyflower). This is not about whose style is better, what system is better. This is about real people who love real Xing Yi and their thoughts posted here through contrasting and comparing of all the videos of the "Xing Yi 5 Elements Linking Form". That is all, no beef, no arguments, no dissing each other. Just pick your two favorites and post why. Contribute, only if you have something to contribute. Why am I doing this? I fell in love with this form, and I'm trying to find the perfect one so I can practice it for the rest of my life - I'm sure many others will be helped also. This thread is very, very specific to the 5 Elements Linking Form - not other drills or accusations of fake training or anything negative! Let's keep this thread simple and clean. I don't want to get kicked out of here also.]


Video Contrast and Compare Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form


1. Which one of the videos do you think has the more complete form in terms of being able to execute all of the elements and their jing and combat practicality in the best ways possible for one's own practice regimen? For example some forms are really short and even lack some of the 5 Elements so when you drill the form you get less chances to execute techniques and jing power in practice. Some are longer and more practical for combat situations with all of the Elements being done forward and backward. The opinion and choice will be yours and vary based on what people know. In short, no one is absolutely right on this one.

2. Which one is the best manifestation of the spirit of Xing Yi in your opinion?

Here are the list of videos, please take your time with each one by using the pause button often and taking the time to view all of them. If you know of another that belongs here, please post them. Enjoy!

Shanxi Xing Yi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oYu0797puA

Fu Zhongwen's student
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRaBAvTKjNQ

Chang Dong Sheng (The Shuai Chiao King)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgPzk85BYIg

Li Tai Liang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poDziU3mG_4

Sun Jian Yun (Sun Lu Tang's daughter) (Incomplete but if you know this form you dont need to see anymore)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWxt7iukN_g

Hung I-Hsiang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DVHPeYYXmY

Sifu Rudy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqpJK7tx9WA

An unknown woman (she starts off with the 5 elements)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlvq6_qLy48

Unknown man in red
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsNf8zQ0xqA

Unknown man from training VCD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHTsUKLi4gE

Unknown man doing what he calls "Attack Retreat 5 Elements Linked"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-elVjq2A1fg

Wang Shu Jin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVg6De9Rk0Q

Some guy named Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnGlnTqS5rU

Unknown Chinese dude (also does BaGua)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm11otWL7HM

Wai Lun Choi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJ2jkYfFFA


Edited by HiddenPalm (11/27/06 04:07 PM)

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#303930 - 11/27/06 06:04 PM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: HiddenPalm]
ashe_higgs Offline
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dude, you're every where?

what is the story?

by the way, "some guy named chris" is the admin OF THIS FORUM!

besides, you can never learn "the perfect form" from a video. you have to learn it from someone, because they have to feed you the right feel through touch.


Edited by ashe_higgs (11/27/06 06:07 PM)
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#303931 - 11/27/06 07:40 PM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: ashe_higgs]
HiddenPalm Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
Posts: 3
Some guy named Chris is really the moderator? Thats cool. So far, in emptyflower ... the only video that got voted on was Chris, lol.

I agree with you about being taught and not being able to learn the perfect form from youtube. In fact I agree with everyone who thinks learning from a video is stupid. But everyone is under different circumstances and have different training histories. And we can still observe, anylyze, and talk about things. We can ... I have seen people share ideas before. I have seen this! I swear to God, I have seen people share ideas. You must believe me.

Every one wants to be the "nay sayer" or the "no its not done that way". Yes ... of course you are right! I agree, and so does every one who is serious about Xing Yi.

But back to the subject at hand - In reality the first question is just asking which form presented in these videos has the most opportunities to practice and drill jing, compression, retreat, etc. It is not asking what are better ways of training, or what system is better, or anything of the sorts.

Its work! ... if folks dont want to invest time into it, that is fine. But as of now, this post is in mutltiple forums and not a single person has given there Opinion on any video, which is all I ask. Every one has argued against this and preached how Xing Yi should be trained as if I would had disagreed.

People ... just give your opinion. Your opinion counts! lol

If I can make it any easier ... I would. Ok I can ...

Pick your favorite video. ...

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#303932 - 11/27/06 07:40 PM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: HiddenPalm]
jamesjj Offline
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Registered: 09/01/06
Posts: 82
Loc: Alberta, Canada
I wouldn't recommend watching these videos when you're tired. But honestly, I'm not even sure what you want here? Critique of their forms? Criticize the art? I dunno maybe it's just too close to nap time.
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#303933 - 11/27/06 07:42 PM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: HiddenPalm]
jamesjj Offline
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Registered: 09/01/06
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Loc: Alberta, Canada
Okay that was weird lol we posted at the same time. Okay my fave was the one with the orange shirt. I didn't watch them all ^_^
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#303934 - 11/27/06 10:09 PM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: jamesjj]
Chen Zen Offline
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Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
He isnt just a Moderator, he owns the entire site. His name is Christopher Caile. He is quiet an accomplished martial artist and individual.
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#303935 - 11/27/06 10:36 PM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: Chen Zen]
Fisherman Offline
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Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA
Quote:

He isnt just a Moderator, he owns the entire site. His name is Christopher Caile. He is quiet an accomplished martial artist and individual.




Ummm, that isn't Mr. Caile. That is me.
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#303936 - 11/27/06 10:39 PM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: Fisherman]
Chen Zen Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
I wasnt referring to the video, I was referring to the conversation about the site owner
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#303937 - 11/29/06 01:07 AM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: Chen Zen]
ashe_higgs Offline
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Registered: 04/15/06
Posts: 593
Loc: phoenix
Quote:

He isnt just a Moderator, he owns the entire site. His name is Christopher Caile. He is quiet an accomplished martial artist and individual.




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#303938 - 11/29/06 03:14 PM Re: Video Analysis of the 5 Elements Linking Form [Re: HiddenPalm]
HiddenPalm Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
Posts: 3
I can't modify my post!

I have updated the questions to make more sense and added more videos. This same thread is having serious problems in other martial art message boards. EmptyFlower just cold kicked me out because I argued back to their moderator for assuming my lack of training based on this thread. What he should of done was help me reword the thing. People feel that this is really stupid with out truely understanding the nature of the questions. It is important to understand that no one's opinion is really wrong or completely correct. Your opinion is really based on what you already know as there are many movements that different schools would not even understand. And the videos have beginers and grandmasters - So it is not a contest ... it is theory talk and the sharing of ideas. Which hasnt happened yet.

Anyways, I moved this post to my own message board where I can moderate negativity and encourage constructive criticisms and sharing of ideas. This new message board is strickly for any student of any Internal art around the world and has a section made just for your lineage. As the moderator, I promise not to judge you or alineate people who ask questions that I dont agree with. And I wont allow other to do so either.

Fighting Arts is cool, because you guys havent been at all insulting unlike the other message boards. I appreciate that.

So here is the link to where this post has been moved to.

http://hiddenpalm.proboards92.com/index....0053&page=1

Thank you for entertaining the idea.

HiddenPalm
http://hiddenpalm.122mb.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/HiddenPalm


Edited by HiddenPalm (11/29/06 04:00 PM)

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