Does anyone else perform this version of Niseishi? Or have you seen it performed anywhere?

My understanding is that it was modified by Seiki Kudaka into the version on the clip.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1821391595752132818&hl=en

Only one side is shown as I ran out of space on my camera.

I've never seen this kata before.

I don't know how long the 'performer' has been training but she needs to work on her basics before attempting such a long kata. Looks like dancing.

Not a good example. I'll stop here before I'm accused of kid-bashing.

hedkikr,

It's not "kidbashing", it's "insructor bashing".

The youth has no problem, she's doing what she was shown.

The instructor, on the other hand, sharing kata before the youth has the technical proficiency to perform it's movements is showing they don't understand how to teach, plain and simple.

I believe this goes back to the old standards, youth really can't do karate so don't care what you show them.

On the other hand what do I know, perhaps this lineage considers this good kata performance, with techniques that can injure the performer.

Hard to say really.

As for the raw form itself, it resembles no Ninjushiho or Neishi kata I've seen anyplace. So who ever 'mangled' ooops I meant created it, really knew their stuff.

Nope not kid bashing, just more slop (technical term of course describing another kata mess).

I agree Victor. Although I have never run either kata, I had a friend of mine who studies Wado-ryu run his version of Niseishi, then checked with one of my students who previously studied Shuri-ryu karate, and then checked several online references and cannot find a Nijushiho or Niseishi that looks like this. Of course it could just be the way the student is performing it, because I've never seen a kata start out with two C-steps while there arms are dangling at their side.

maybee move to forms section mod's ?

many thanks.

hedkikr

The " Performer " has been training for two years and is 11 years old.

If you have never seen it that's all I was after.

Victor Smith>

My question was if anyone had seen the Kata before?

However I would love for you to expand on a few of your statements.

1. Why do you believe that "youth cannot do karate"

2. What techniques within the form could injure the "performer"

3. The person who "mangled" it was Masayuki Hisataka, his father Kori Hisataka ( Seiki Kudaka ) Look them up. I think their lineage and accomplishments will speak for themselves.

4. Technical Proficiency, does this not come from practice?

S.mike,

I realize your question was about the kata, but you can never separate the kata from the performer.

I've been teaching young people for over 30 years now. It is based on my experience that the young person performing that kata has not been taught correctly. Not that she's not trying, just the technique execution shows too many technical errors, and if that's where her training is after 2 years as you state, she should be spending more time on basics.

The reason I said she could hurt herself isn't from performing the kata, but from trying to use those techniques in defense. The only focus behind kata execution ought to be to make these techniques work.

Perhaps it's just me, but I don't teach moves without focusing on their intent, to make them work.

What she is doing at her performance level is not terribly effective, period. She can do karate, I just feel she should be working more effectively.

A student is always a reflection of their instructor, as well as their own potential.

As for the kata itself, I have 10 different Neieishi/Nijushiho on my PC at this momement, for my various researchs, and I teach another Nijushiho in my group. Of course for the average young person I teach they've been training about 5 to 6 years when they begin that study.

The techniques of the kata that she's doing do not resemble any of the Neieshi/Nijushiho of what I've seen. You stated it was a variation, and if that's the case it warp's beyond all of those versions. While I can see the structural similarity between Nijushiho and Neieishi, I do not see it with this version and thats what I base my opinion on.

I really care less who crafted it. Sorry if that burts any bubbles.

As for technical proficiency coming from practice, not necessarily. Technicial proficiency only comes from correct practice. If you practice something incorrectly, guess what, you get good at doing it wrong. That's what bothers me about her performance. There are too many technical issues to make it worth her practicing the form, that should be carefully cleaned up first.

Victor,

A few questions

I am curious to know what technical errors the young person is comitting.

You claim that useing the techniques demonstrated in this Kata would result in the student hurting herself. Could you give me an example of what techniques in this kata would lead to her being injured.

I agree with Victor also. I have only been studying for 24 years so I don't really know much. But I too have never seen any kata like that. I do practice Nijushiho (Shotokans), and Niseishi (Shito ryu) If I saw someone doing this kata and was asked if I knew the name of it I would have had no clue... I would have guessed that it was some Tae Kwon Do kata though by the way she moves and performs the techniques. (No insult meant.)