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#302900 - 11/26/06 12:32 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: MattJ]
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
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I'm sooo glad I haven't come back to this thread. You can't really call it a debate or discusion because one side (sopwith and crablord) really has no idea what they're talking about.
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#302901 - 11/26/06 02:00 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: JoelM]
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does unto others before they do unto him
Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 637
Loc: ny usa
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my take on this includes something that hasn't been mentioned - the police have a responsibility to protect thier authority and image, as well. this isn't a bar fight where one may want to play fair or not. if person breaks the law, a law set up to protect people, and then in a crowded room tries to show that the police can't handle him, he is compounding the crime, because he is showing others that they can do it, too.
as to the idea of carrying him out - my experience is that this causes more damage than aittle tasing
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#302902 - 11/26/06 02:17 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: globetrotter]
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Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
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And by the way crab, you can shoot people in your house. In fact, in my state, they no longer have to be in the house. They can be in your yard and you can blow them right out of it. The guys lucky, IMO, that they didnt beat the hell out of him with their night sticks or sick the dogs on him.
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#302903 - 11/26/06 03:26 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: globetrotter]
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my take on this includes something that hasn't been mentioned - the police have a responsibility to protect thier authority and image, as well. this isn't a bar fight where one may want to play fair or not. if person breaks the law, a law set up to protect people, and then in a crowded room tries to show that the police can't handle him, he is compounding the crime, because he is showing others that they can do it, too.
Good point, GT.
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#302904 - 11/26/06 05:55 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: MattJ]
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th3 t4sty sn4ck
Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 1530
Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
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Ok then, well did you notice in the video he screamed out " I HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION!!!"? did you also notice that after all that tasing crap, the thing that got him out eventually was handcuffs?
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#302905 - 11/26/06 07:17 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: crablord]
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does unto others before they do unto him
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Ok then, well did you notice in the video he screamed out " I HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION!!!"? did you also notice that after all that tasing crap, the thing that got him out eventually was handcuffs?
well, he should have thought of that before he decided not to comply with the police then, shouldn't he have?
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#302906 - 11/26/06 10:58 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: globetrotter]
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Registered: 10/05/05
Posts: 123
Loc: Massachusetts
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I have a simple question for everyone:
Do you think that it is okay for law enforcement personnel to tazer people engaged in a non-violent political protest in order to get them to comply with an order to leave University property? Yes or No and please explain why or why not. Also, is this opinion based on your "gut feeling" or based on US law enforcement procedure, etc.
Thank you. BTW, I'm trying to remove the emotional content from this debate if possible and try to find points of agreement rather than disagreement.
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#302907 - 11/26/06 11:23 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: aoishi]
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Registered: 11/15/06
Posts: 49
Loc: Dayton, OH
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I have a simple question for everyone:
Do you think that it is okay for law enforcement personnel to tazer people engaged in a non-violent political protest in order to get them to comply with an order to leave University property? Yes or No and please explain why or why not. Also, is this opinion based on your "gut feeling" or based on US law enforcement procedure, etc.
Thank you. BTW, I'm trying to remove the emotional content from this debate if possible and try to find points of agreement rather than disagreement.
Honesty, at times yes and at times no. In America, people who wish to hold a constitutionally approved public protesting are required to get it cleared by the local governments and any organization who's property it is going to take place on--like a university. If said protester can keep it non-violent without attempting to encite a riot, disturbing the peace, or any other unlawful activity than there should be no reason for the tasing. As soon as there is one instance of even someone spitting at a police officer another demonstrator with another group or any number of hostile events, it no longer becomes a non-violent protest.
However, many times there are those who start protests with the intent of starting a riot. I'm not saying always or even the majority of the times, but it does happen.
Futhermore, as it was stated above, for the right to assemble under constitutional law, you must receive approval by local governments and any organization who's facilities you wish to utilize. If you were to hold a non-violent protest with only the authorization of the local government than the university can revoke your right to protest on their property. Alternatively, if you obtain a university's authorization, the city can still break up the protest, regardless of no matter how peaceful it is.
As this question relates the video linked on this thread, the student was asked by the University to leave after failig to show id, thereby establishing their refusal to allow him to protest--regardless of how non-voilent it might have been--so in this particular instance yes the tasing is acceptable.
And to answer your final question, this answer is 1/10 emotion, 9/10 law.
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#302908 - 11/26/06 11:39 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: bearich]
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Registered: 10/05/05
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Loc: Massachusetts
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Thanks for the thoughtful response.
>As this question relates the video linked on this thread, >the student was asked by the University to leave after >failig to show id, thereby establishing their refusal to >allow him to protest--regardless of how non-voilent it >might have been--so in this particular instance yes the >tasing is acceptable.
So it sounds like your saying that tazering is acceptable as a compliance measure. Even if person is non-violent.
Correct?
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#302909 - 11/26/06 11:54 PM
Re: opinions on taser case
[Re: aoishi]
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th3 t4sty sn4ck
Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 1530
Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
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Hey I asked my dad (lawyer) about this. I don't know about America but in Australia the police are only allowed to react with equal force as the person committing said crime. In that video those police would have been guilty of using a disproportionate response. Its ok to taser him once, but if its clear he wouldn't comply, they should have just picked him up and carried him out. Which in fact was how it ended, after all the unnecessary tasering. My main point is that he did in fact scream that he had a medical condition quite loudly, which really should have been a sign. And our point still remains, even if it were perfectly within the police in that videos rights, does that make it right?
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