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#302715 - 11/28/06 04:54 AM Re: Diet [Re: Stampede]
Cord Offline
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Stampede, I could tell long before you got to the supplementation that you were a T-Nation guy .

Points to consider:

1.If you lose form on an exercise at 50lbs, then you are not doing that exercise at 50lbs. therefore your max is 45lbs at that specific lift. Dont kid yourself. Its good that you have reigned in the weight in favour of form.

2.Your supplementation programme is heavy. i agree with you that biotest turn out some good stuff (Mag-10 RIP), and I have used Tribex gold for its muscle sparing qualities with some success, but i also found Hot Rox to be terrible and mess my systems up completely. The trouble with 'stacking' supplements is not the expense (your money, your business), but rather the question of what is working and what isn't. With patience, and cycling supplements individualy, you can decide if they give you an effect, and if so, know that they are worth putting in a stack in the future. If no benefit is noticed, you know you can save your cash.
You may have already gone through this process, if so fair enough, if not, its worth considering.

3. Your training routine is geared for pure functional strength which can then be applied to your MA, yet you are eating like a bodybuilder- and a big one at that. If your goal was hypertrophy, or even if your weekly strength work was of higher volume and duration with 'strongman' type work and a slightly more complex split cycle, I would say the elevated protein could be justified, but you simply dont, and it simply isnt.

i notice that you, like so many others are a little 'phobic' of carbs. I dont care what T-nation say, good natural complex carbohydrates, and the energy they provide can not be adequately replaced by energy drinks and shakes.

I like your training outlook, and know where you are coming from with your goals and methods, I just think you need to reign everything in a little and apply a more judicious approach to your eating and supplementation.
Efficiency applies to all aspects of your training- not just exercise. throwing supplements down your neck with no way of evaluating their effects is not efficient.

Cord.
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#302716 - 11/28/06 01:39 PM Re: Supplements [Re: JoelM]
Stampede Offline
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Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 967
Loc: El Dorado, AR
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How much protien are you getting? Seems like a huge number.




Usually around 250g.

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Seems like a dead-set diet that would get boring very quickly, have you been doing this for long?




It's not as locked in as it seems. Keeping with eating as much non-fastfood as possible, the diet I outlined gives me enough flexibility to keep things interesting.

Quote:

I think you spend as much on supplements as I do on my mortgage.




Only around $250 a month
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#302717 - 11/28/06 02:08 PM Re: Diet [Re: Cord]
Stampede Offline
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Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 967
Loc: El Dorado, AR
Quote:

Stampede, I could tell long before you got to the supplementation that you were a T-Nation guy .




What gave me away?

Quote:

Points to consider:

1.If you lose form on an exercise at 50lbs, then you are not doing that exercise at 50lbs. therefore your max is 45lbs at that specific lift. Dont kid yourself. Its good that you have reigned in the weight in favour of form.




I apologize for not being clear. The shoulder rolling and pain did not occur during the lift. Two days after the last workout using the 50lbs DBs, I began having a grinding sensation in my left shoulder and noticed my posture was not exactly kosher. This had not been occurring previous to the workout, so I felt that lift at that weight was the cause. (I have slight vertebral damage at T2,3)

Quote:

2.Your supplementation programme is heavy. i agree with you that biotest turn out some good stuff (Mag-10 RIP), and I have used Tribex gold for its muscle sparing qualities with some success, but i also found Hot Rox to be terrible and mess my systems up completely. The trouble with 'stacking' supplements is not the expense (your money, your business), but rather the question of what is working and what isn't. With patience, and cycling supplements individualy, you can decide if they give you an effect, and if so, know that they are worth putting in a stack in the future. If no benefit is noticed, you know you can save your cash.
You may have already gone through this process, if so fair enough, if not, its worth considering.




I agree with you here. I have tried each on a case by case basis, and have stuck with the ones that work. The fish oil I have taken for some time as it helps alleviate some of the problems which come from my collection of damaged nerves and young(er) stupidity.

Quote:

3. Your training routine is geared for pure functional strength which can then be applied to your MA, yet you are eating like a bodybuilder- and a big one at that. If your goal was hypertrophy, or even if your weekly strength work was of higher volume and duration with 'strongman' type work and a slightly more complex split cycle, I would say the elevated protein could be justified, but you simply dont, and it simply isnt.




Currently, yes. I use the 5x5 as my go-to program, and after it tend to go to strength-hypertrophy cycle, then back to strength. Pure hypertrophy workouts have only ever caused me problems.

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i notice that you, like so many others are a little 'phobic' of carbs. I dont care what T-nation say, good natural complex carbohydrates, and the energy they provide can not be adequately replaced by energy drinks and shakes.




The heavy protein intake and somewhat lower carb intake is due to a problem I have with carbs. I can tolerate carbs coming from milk and vegetables, and can tolerate starches sometimes. Depending on the alignment of the planets, I can have breakouts of rashes and blisters, insomnia, elevated heart rate, profuse sweating, and the like, concurrent with a "normal" carbohydrate intake.

Also, I tend to drop weight (water, fat and muscle) when I eat less than 3500kcal, and have severe headaches when I don't have around 190+ grams of protein a day for three or more days.

And yes, I write down EVERYTHING I eat, and anything related to my training and general health.

Quote:

I like your training outlook, and know where you are coming from with your goals and methods, I just think you need to reign everything in a little and apply a more judicious approach to your eating and supplementation.
Efficiency applies to all aspects of your training- not just exercise. throwing supplements down your neck with no way of evaluating their effects is not efficient.

Cord.




Thank you very much for taking the time to read through my log, and for sharing your experience. I am not trying to second-guess you in the above quotes, and appreciate any and all suggestions. I will be reevaluating my diet and training, and will see what I could change to improve the efficiency and safety of my overall program.

Again, thanks.

Edit: Fixed quotes


Edited by Dereck (11/28/06 03:13 PM)

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#302718 - 11/28/06 05:40 PM Re: Diet [Re: Stampede]
Cord Offline
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It sounds like you have adapted what you need in accordance with your experiences. If you have found what works for you, then thats awesome. I was merely concerned that you had bought into the more extreme end of the advise on t-nation without exploring less supplement heavy avenues. A lot of people would try and walk on water if that site said one of their tablets could make them do it, and whilst I rate them, many of the articles and theories do have a linked agenda with their supplements.

This is clearly not the case, so keep going buddy, i like the routine FWIW.
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#302719 - 11/28/06 09:41 PM Re: Diet [Re: Cord]
Stampede Offline
Lord of the Kazoo

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 967
Loc: El Dorado, AR
Quote:

It sounds like you have adapted what you need in accordance with your experiences. If you have found what works for you, then thats awesome. I was merely concerned that you had bought into the more extreme end of the advise on t-nation without exploring less supplement heavy avenues. A lot of people would try and walk on water if that site said one of their tablets could make them do it, and whilst I rate them, many of the articles and theories do have a linked agenda with their supplements.

This is clearly not the case, so keep going buddy, i like the routine FWIW.




I definetly appreciate the feedback; I know it may not seem like it, but I do have the ability to empty my cup, so if you see anything you think should be addressed in my training, I will definetly appreciate your letting me know.

That's one of the reasons I've decided to go with a public log; so I can grow.
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#302720 - 11/28/06 09:47 PM Karate 11:28 [Re: Stampede]
Stampede Offline
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Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 967
Loc: El Dorado, AR
My warmup is the same for weights, with the addition of:

Two-Man Basics (attacker and defender)
Seisan Bunkai (another two-man drill using Isshinryu's Seisan kata as a building block)

Workout
15 Upper Body Basics (5 techs/side)
10 Lower Body Basics (5 techs right/6 left)

Seisan
Seiunchin
Sanchin (Note: I do not do dynamic tension, with the exception of those weeks when I am not doing any assisted resistance training)
Naihanchi
Wansu
Chinto
Kusanku
Sunsu

Normally at this point, I do four kata, each eight times, working on a specific technical aspect; flow, focus, imagined application potential, or technique-based cardio conditioning. Today being my break-in week after my respite, I did only Kusanku no Sai eight times, focusing on decent technique at a medium pace.

Cooldown

Upper and Lower Body Stretching


Edited by Stampede (11/28/06 09:49 PM)
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#302721 - 11/29/06 07:15 PM Re: Supplements [Re: Stampede]
JoelM Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
Quote:

Quote:

I think you spend as much on supplements as I do on my mortgage.




Only around $250 a month




You are definitely in a different tax bracket than I.

It'll be nice to see your training methods, good luck with the training and log.
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#302722 - 11/30/06 12:52 AM God Bless Hot Water [Re: JoelM]
Stampede Offline
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Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 967
Loc: El Dorado, AR
Just got out of a tub filled with VERY hot water - heals most wounds.

Workout Today:

Same Warmup, Workout as yesterday, add:

Sunsu x 8 - steady flow, working on finding "sections" which seems to be setup-engage-disengage, as well as kinetic energy flow

Naihanchi x 4 - same as above

Chinto x 4 - Same as above

Naihanchi/Chinto x 4 -flow from the end of Naihanchi into Chinto, repeat. Working on taking the implied twisting and spinning motion of Naihanchi, transferring it to Chinto, and back.

Upper and Lower body stretching

Tomorrow is weights, and I don't get my 8 hours of sleep. Teh sadness.
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#302723 - 11/30/06 12:58 AM Re: Supplements [Re: JoelM]
Stampede Offline
Lord of the Kazoo

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 967
Loc: El Dorado, AR
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I think you spend as much on supplements as I do on my mortgage.




Only around $250 a month




You are definitely in a different tax bracket than I.

It'll be nice to see your training methods, good luck with the training and log.




That was a bit of embellishment. I spend no more than $150 a month, mainly on protein and vegetable powder. I'm a student, and love 20 minutes from anything, so I often have my food on the go. Protein and vegetable powder are excellent for the road warriors among us.

As far as the training, I'm fairly kata-centric, though I love working all points of the force continuum.
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#302724 - 11/30/06 05:42 AM Re: Supplements [Re: Stampede]
crablord Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 1530
Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
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I spend no more than $150 a month


that all?
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