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#302265 - 11/18/06 03:58 AM "shotokan" makes me cry
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#302266 - 11/18/06 07:46 AM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: Boomer]
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The first one made me sick, the second one made me go to sleep, the third one woke me up with the pathetic "Kiaa, Kiaa", and the fourth one made me want to go back to sleep..
As far as the last clip, though...
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#302267 - 11/18/06 09:00 AM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: Boomer]
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It does...when it's like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrGO7RQBbRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7UgWAbbv10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfFxA8d2374

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9bH00BfLNM

But then this made me smile, and evrything was ok again :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v38XQJgK7W0




First one - Cant type while vomiting.

Second one - Pretty sure I saw the "sine wave" in there, LOL.

Third one - That has to be a joke. It better be a joke.

Fourth one - WTF? Xtreme Shotokan?

Last one - Kyokushotokan?
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#302268 - 11/18/06 10:54 AM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: MattJ]
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i think even i could beat the third guys!!!
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#302269 - 11/18/06 10:54 AM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: Boomer]
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I think I seen the thrid clip in a Monty Python sketch
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#302270 - 11/18/06 11:41 AM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: Prizewriter]
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Truthfully,

The first wasn't anything related to Shotokan. Shotokan (as designed) doesn't do Nunchaku. Shotokan (as designed) can't do what that performer does, which is in the extreme martial arts category, a newer development on the martial arts scene. I'm far more tolerant to what people do, but dislike the mislabeling.

The 2nd video is someone practicing bassai-dai kata. A student is always a reflection of the instructors abilities as well as their own potentials. He's working on his form, for that we must congragulte him, but not knowing the individual or his path it's unfair to comment on what you see, unless this is the standard of their group.

It's fair to comment on the performance but kindly explain what you would do different, and understand anything may be reality. The person might have a great instructor and is working at their full potential. One video tells us little after all.

The 3rd video is not karate. I don't know what it is, but it is not karate. I'm grateful they didn't hurt themselves making the video, I hope. I would loose sleep if they hurt themselves doing that.

The 4th video is misnamed. Shotokan never kicks while drinking. I have that on good authority I think.

Finally Enoeda Sensei demonstrating one application. Fine for him, not one that does much for me. He's a senior instructor and is fair game to comment on. I would much rather see how he makes that work against someone really attacking. It may just be a basic trianing guide, but my vision of Shotokan is from an entirely different path of technique execution.

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#302271 - 11/18/06 12:04 PM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: Boomer]
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shotokan, at least in todays world, has become synomnious with "krotty".

the videos that made you cry were froma host of different backgrounds.

the kid with the glow in the dark nunchku, thats what alot of people call martial arts now a days. there all happy, why bother them.

the second video. don't make me some to your house and call you down for every thing your not the best at. the guy is trying, and learning, lay the &*%^ off.

the third video. like i said the word shotokan is being thrown around alot,what they call them selves is up to them. im sorry it makes you cry, you want a hug? if your saying these guys don't make the shotokan "cut", go live in a cave and write the next five rings why don't ya.

fourth video. just some guy in his bastment with a video camera showing of his stuff, when did that ever hurt anyone??

and as for Enoeda, that made you smile? to each his own i guess, but if you get to post your personal preferences on here and mock people honestly trying then here i go. the deepest sign of disrespect psoible from a traditional martial artist, Enoeda is sport, his take down was for a sport situation. you can try it out in a self defence role, but i won't.
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#302272 - 11/18/06 03:20 PM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: Boomer]
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Those are not what I would call Shotokan either. Well the second video wasn't too bad. It looked to me as though he is still learning Bassai Dai.

The last video was good. Although I would like to see that technique used on someone with there hands up. I don't know how other Shotokan school were trained but keeping guard your was the first thing we were taught.

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#302273 - 11/18/06 06:41 PM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: student_of_life]
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Finally! some (almost) controversy! For so long it seemed that everyone was so caught up in the political correctness of everything they say that they worried about everyone's feelings getting hurt...to the point where no one ever got around to making the point.
Thank you, student of life.

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the second video. don't make me some to your house and call you down for every thing your not the best at. the guy is trying, and learning, lay the &*%^ off.
the third video. like i said the word shotokan is being thrown around alot,what they call them selves is up to them. im sorry it makes you cry, you want a hug? if your saying these guys don't make the shotokan "cut", go live in a cave and write the next five rings why don't ya.
fourth video. just some guy in his bastment with a video camera showing of his stuff, when did that ever hurt anyone??





None of this hurts anyone, of course. But geeze...you would think that before you publish your crappy stuff on the internet, you'd have some skill.
That Bassai Dai was atrocious....so let's put it on the web! I mean, would you post a vid on the net labelled "shotokan" where it would sit next to Enoeda and Kanazawa if your form was as bad as that guy's? I call it fair game if it's out there.

And you made exactly the point I was pushing with your first line:
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shotokan, at least in todays world, has become synomnious with "krotty".





That is what makes me cry...
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#302274 - 11/18/06 07:03 PM Re: "shotokan" makes me cry [Re: Victor Smith]
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and as for Enoeda, that made you smile? to each his own i guess, but if you get to post your personal preferences on here and mock people honestly trying then here i go. the deepest sign of disrespect psoible from a traditional martial artist, Enoeda is sport, his take down was for a sport situation. you can try it out in a self defence role, but i won't.





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Finally Enoeda Sensei demonstrating one application. Fine for him, not one that does much for me. He's a senior instructor and is fair game to comment on. I would much rather see how he makes that work against someone really attacking. It may just be a basic trianing guide, but my vision of Shotokan is from an entirely different path of technique execution.






It wasn't Enoeda Sensei....it's a clip of Masao Kawasoe....
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