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#299911 - 11/07/06 02:38 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: stormbringer]
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You mean...you think you deserved to 'pay' for the infraction of the rule? And by extension...so should all others (pay for breaking rules)? What's the motivation? To preserve the sanctity of the speed limit? To reinforce societial pressure to conform? Or is the intent of red lights and the traffic system forgotten?

Turn me in: when I'm driving home late at night, and have to stop at a red light...if there is no visible traffic...I will run it. Guess my ethics are in the toilet.

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I've paid for it, not hired a lawyer to get it off my record.



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#299912 - 11/07/06 02:41 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: stormbringer]
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It was a sports medicine test. I feel kind of bad cuz I just forgot to study, well origionally i was lazy then i forgot.
I actually did study but I studied the wrong stuff. I was annoyed that what I ddi studfy up on quite a bit wasn't even part of the test. I dont know, to me it doesn't matter about cheating on a test once in awhile. I just want the grade. I still know the stuff somewhat well. You live and learn. Next time I jsut gotta make sure not to get caught, lol.
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#299913 - 11/07/06 02:43 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: Stormdragon]
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You aspire to mediocrity in your career?

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#299914 - 11/07/06 02:52 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: harlan]
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Guess my ethics are in the toilet.



I'm not going for that or deliberately making insults and if I've came across that way, I apologize. What I'm trying to get across is that breaking rules have consequences. When we intentionally break a rule and get caught, why wouldn't we be held accountable? How can the punishment be unjustified? That's the point I'm getting at. Personally, I don't believe anyone holds the traffic laws or many other laws with any form of sanctity. However, I do find it interesting when people that get caught get angry at the person who either enforced the law/rule, or the person that turned them in. In middle school, I cheated off someone once, and never again did I do it. He wouldn't turn you in, he would change his answers right before he turned in the test. I took the long road to say, I break rules too, but don't be angry because you got called on it.
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#299915 - 11/07/06 02:57 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: stormbringer]
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Sorry...I forgot the smiley before.

Taking chances. Weighing the cost/benefit of any action...and accepting the possible outcome. But...not all actions are equal...not even the same action...I think.

For example, a 4 year old walks out of a store with a doll. A 17 year old walks out with a CD. A 40 year old walks out with baby formula. They are all 'stealing'...but is it all the same? How do 'judge'?

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#299916 - 11/07/06 03:04 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: harlan]
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That's the whacked part and why I'm glad I'm not a judge.
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#299917 - 11/07/06 03:12 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: harlan]
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You aspire to mediocrity in your career?




I aspire t6o excellence at what "turns me on" or what I enjoy and want to excel at. Granted this is one area I should excel at, but as long as I learn the material eventually and do well when it counts I'm satisfied. I have plans for my future, I nkow where I'm going, and I nkow what it'll take to get there. So I'm a jack of my trade adn master of it, not all trades. I'm having the same issue with amth. I know what I need to nkow and what I care to know, so the rest is just making a grade.
Being a judge is certainly a tough job.
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#299918 - 11/07/06 05:39 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: Stormdragon]
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It was a sports medicine test. I feel kind of bad cuz I just forgot to study, well origionally i was lazy then i forgot.
I actually did study but I studied the wrong stuff. I was annoyed that what I ddi studfy up on quite a bit wasn't even part of the test. I dont know, to me it doesn't matter about cheating on a test once in awhile. I just want the grade. I still know the stuff somewhat well. You live and learn. Next time I jsut gotta make sure not to get caught, lol.



If you knew it was wrong to cheat on the test then you shouldn't of done it. The kid that caught you and told the teacher probably felt cheated that he has to rely on what he remembers while you only have to look in your pocket. What's worse is that you made an excuse for why you didn't study, which you stated, "I just forgot to study, well origionally i was lazy then i forgot." Not only shouldn't you make excuses but you shouldn't also make yourself look more guilty by saying you were lazy and that you forgot. You can't afford an easy ride through school, not with how things are changing.

As it for being dishonorable, I would say yes. Is it very dishonorable? That depends on you and those who know of this situation.

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#299919 - 11/07/06 05:46 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: MastaFighta]
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Why is it wrong? and he could have just as easily cheated. As I stated before I dont really care if I cheat as long as I learn the stuff eventually and get the grade. I just dont care. He should mind his own damn business, becuase hey, if it doesn't hurt anyone whats the harm?
Dishonorable or not. I dont have the spirit to live a completely honorable life. I'm learning that more and more, I wont be perfect and completely honorable nor can I.
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#299920 - 11/07/06 06:20 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: Stormdragon]
cxt Offline
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Storm

"why?"

Easy, because he could.

Problem is that when you choose to throw away the "rules"--then why should it upset you if someone else decided to do the same.

If your not interested in following the rules--why should anyone else be held to a higher standard?

Plus, depending on how the class is set up--its NOT all about you.
The dude may have really studied hard and you cheating might have thrown off the curve.
Why should he bust his arse--asuumeing of course that he did--only to "lose" to a cheater?
Or maybe he he didn't study much at all and needed to "take out" a competitior.

You'd flip out if someone clearly "cheated" to beat you in a sparring match---same thing in the classroom--"maybe" from his perspective you had no right to a grade you didn't earn.

Anyway, like said before, cheaters have little right to bitch---nobody forced you to cheat--you decided that all on your own.

Nobody said you had to be pure as the driven snow---lord knows I'm not.
But nobody said that you can always escape the repercussions of your own actions either.

You make your own choices, you suffer or enjoy the results.

That's hard, but that's life.


Edited by cxt (11/07/06 06:25 PM)
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