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#299901 - 11/07/06 12:27 AM Dishonor?
Stormdragon Offline
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I cheated today on a test, and was caught. I wouldn't have admitted to it, unless the person (a peer) caught me and they did, and they said either I would admit and turn myself in or they would, so I did. I cheated my cramming a paper with answers in my pocket and going to the bathroom to look at it. However when I admitted it to the teacher all I said was that I saw a paper with some answers laying on the floor. How much did I lie and how dishonorable is this that I didn't say anything (granted that the act of cheatign was dishonorable to begin with)?
The worse thign is I didn't care that I cheated, I only cared when threatened with osmeoen ratting me out.
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#299902 - 11/07/06 02:07 AM Re: Dishonor? [Re: Stormdragon]
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#299903 - 11/07/06 08:12 AM Re: Dishonor? [Re: Stormdragon]
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Yeah...social pressure sucks. Personally, I'd want to pound the ratfink.

The slippery slope of navigating 'morality'. My take (and I'm certain I'm going to Hell...so read with caution): at some points in ones life, getting 'there' matters more and at other times the 'how' one gets there is more important. Matter of priorities.

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#299904 - 11/07/06 09:06 AM Re: Dishonor? [Re: harlan]
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The slippery slope of navigating 'morality'. My take (and I'm certain I'm going to Hell...so read with caution): at some points in ones life, getting 'there' matters more and at other times the 'how' one gets there is more important. Matter of priorities.




Exactly. See you there, Harlan.
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#299905 - 11/07/06 12:16 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: MattJ]
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I told the kid I'd have beat his a** if we had been back in inner city millville NJ, my old home.
I was pretty [censored]. He's gonna go rat on someone else now to. I agree, sometimes the end justifies the means. I'm just trying to make my way.
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#299906 - 11/07/06 01:56 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: Stormdragon]
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I feel for you man. People always have a high expectation of me doing well, and if I ever do badly in a test or coursework they put even more pressure on me and even taunt me.

What type of test was it? Did it count towards your grades or towards your ... (whatever the American equivilent to GCSE and A levels is, I have a feeling its highers??)

I think your 'friend' was in a tricky situation. They could have pretended to not know that you cheated, but if you got caught and it got found out that they knew and didn't tell anybody they could get in trouble.

I don't think I'd worry to much, by now you should have a sense of right and wrong, honor and dishonor and you know the circumstances more than us. You must have had good reason to cheat otherwise you wouldn't have done.
Just hope your parents/teachers don't get to mad. And as hard as it sounds try not to beat up the lil' grass.

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#299907 - 11/07/06 02:00 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: rageace]
harlan Offline
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Perhaps...an opportunity to move on. Forgive and forget...and all that?

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#299908 - 11/07/06 02:14 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: Stormdragon]
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I agree, sometimes the end justifies the means. I'm just trying to make my way.



philisophically, what would be a legitimate means to break the rules to acheive the goal? for example, the modern treatment for hypothermia came from Nazi experiments in concentration camps. First they would freeze people and the first round of tests put them under heat lamps. These patients died. The next round they were subjected to having boiling water injected into body cavities. They died. The third round they were submersed into boiling water. They still died. The forth and final round had them put into room temperature water and the temp was gradually increased. Almost all of them survived the experiment. I take it to a far end of the scale to illustrate the point that where should the line be drawn in these cases. Cheating on a test is incomparable to what the example I gave was about, but rules are rules for a reason. Just throwing in philosphy of sorts, not much seriousness here.
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#299909 - 11/07/06 02:20 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: stormbringer]
harlan Offline
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I figure 'intent' is a key factor. Do I tell on a cheater...or not? Why...what is my intent?

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#299910 - 11/07/06 02:32 PM Re: Dishonor? [Re: harlan]
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I know I wouldn't want a doctor that cheated on his/her tests. Of course, there's no way to find out. I snitched on a whole class that was going to cheat on a test. The whole class received 0 for it (I had it as a study hall). I had nothing to gain, but I was also the club's Chaplain and had been given the title because of a paper on ethics. Point being, we can't stop all cases of people breaking the rules, but rules are there to keep people from being harmed. edit: I speed all the time, but everytime I've gotten a ticket, I've paid for it, not hired a lawyer to get it off my record.


Edited by stormbringer (11/07/06 02:33 PM)
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