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#299749 - 11/06/06 06:00 PM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: eyrie]
gojuwarrior1 Offline
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Truth is (see signature)
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#299750 - 11/07/06 02:19 AM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: harlan]
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To tell you the truth, I've no idea what Truth is or is not. I only know what I know and what I don't know, I ask my fishmonger. Having fresh fish is very important to me.
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#299751 - 11/07/06 07:04 AM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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The best answers are always the simplest. Don't allow yourself into the trap of analysis paralysis. Thats part of the problem with philosophy; people spend way too much time looking for complicated solutions to simple problems.

The truth often hides in plain view.


-John

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#299752 - 11/08/06 05:06 PM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: JKogas]
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Truth is dualistic. External Truth is what happeneds outside of oyur mind/sperit and involves physical beings. It is objective and unquestionable, what happens/happened happenes/happened no matter what oyu believe. For example if I kill some guy off the street, there's no questioning that I kileld him. I can believe and oyu can beleive that I didn't kill him but that does not change the fact that it happened that. What happenes hapopens and there can be nothing else. Every action has one cause. 3 peopel couldn't have killed the same guy off the street in the same reality. One person did it.
Next truth is internal: Truth is what I percieve to be true. For Example, Two peopel can percieve the same object but see it differently. Or I may see htis situation as dangerous and oyu may see it as good. It isn't one way or the other it could be good or bad depending on who is percieving and experiencing it. One sitUATION MAY BE GOOD FOR A CERTAIN PERSON BUT BAD FOR ANOTHER.

tHIS IS Just my opinion, I hope it all makes sense and gives oyu al lsomethign interesting to think about.
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#299753 - 11/11/06 02:40 PM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: Stormdragon]
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I think truth is directly related to what you can use, feel, and perceive with your senses.

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#299754 - 11/11/06 04:24 PM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: umsangil]
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I'm colorblind. My 'truth' as to what green is is different from your 'truth' of green.

Is my truth wrong? Can truth be wrong?
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#299755 - 11/11/06 11:29 PM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: JoelM]
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Quote:

I'm colorblind.




Is it true that colourblind people see red as, what, yellow?

If there is such a thing as the ultimate Truth, it has to be that there is no such thing.
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#299756 - 11/11/06 11:41 PM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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in the purest sense of the word, 'truth' in unknowable.

for our intents and purposes, truth is a relative term....since our truths would mean nothing without it's counterpart.

pure truth doesn't need falsities to define it. WE only perceive our 'truth' since we contrast it with the 'false'.

being honestly comfortable with the unknowable, I'm finding, is extreamly difficult....but worth it.

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#299757 - 11/12/06 01:02 PM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
JoelM Offline
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Quote:


Is it true that colourblind people see red as, what, yellow?




It depends on what type of colorblindness you have. I am mildly deuteranopic, meaning I have problems seeing red and green. I see them often as hues of brown.

This page has some good examples:
http://www.vischeck.com/examples/

This page has the test:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Sideline/5571/vidaurri_5.html

I see nothing on cards
8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, and 21

Fun, ain't it?
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#299758 - 11/12/06 08:18 PM Re: What is 'Truth'? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Quote:

Quote:

I'm colorblind.




Is it true that colourblind people see red as, what, yellow?

If there is such a thing as the ultimate Truth, it has to be that there is no such thing.




That's an internal/perceptive truth. That's the part that's relative. Yes it is true, for you and not true for me. for all practical purposes that color is what you see.
Now with external/nonfalsifiable truth than that wouodn't be truth but your case does not apply to external truth. truisms are true and falsisms are false.
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