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#298462 - 11/01/06 01:55 PM Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it all
zoth13 Offline
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I am re-posting my original question in the form of a poll. Thank you for all the discussion. I did like the responses. I am really not trying to masquerade the clichéd discussion: Which is the best martial art? behind my question. I am simply looking for martial artist’s opinions of which art and/or weapon system they have experience with, which they think would be their personal choice in the given scenario.

Here is my original post:

Hypothetical question:

Tomorrow the world as we know it ends. The end could be from a nuclear war, an incurable disease, a massive meteor hitting the earth etc. End result is the governments of the world collapse, and all society breaks down. Chaos and violence rule the streets. There is no police or organized military presence. It’s every man for himself and his family. You are one of the survivors who must try to stay alive in this hostile new world.

Given the above situation:

Having mastered which martial art and/or weapon system do you think would best keep you alive and able to defend your family?
Which Style would you want to have mastered:
Only one choice allowed


Votes accepted starting: 11/01/06 01:52 PM
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#298463 - 11/01/06 01:59 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it all [Re: zoth13]
harlan Offline
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Weapons. Any and all. However, I'd be more concerned about how I was going to cook all the rotting food in my fridge, in a world without electricity.

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#298464 - 11/01/06 02:01 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it all [Re: zoth13]
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Quote:

I am re-posting my original question in the form of a poll. Thank you for all the discussion. I did like the responses. I am really not trying to masquerade the clichéd discussion: Which is the best martial art? behind my question. I am simply looking for martial artist’s opinions of which art and/or weapon system they have experience with, which they think would be their personal choice in the given scenario.






But that's EXACTLY what you are doing. You are asking what is the best art "to survive with". That's no different than, "what's the best art?".

And people are going to give whatever art they practice. End of thread.

All this poll will do is show how many people practice the arts listed, nothing more....
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#298465 - 11/01/06 02:21 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it all [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
zoth13 Offline
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I understand what you are saying, but I mean the best art for survival in the senario. I doubt someone who practices tai-chi would think their art is best suited to keep them alive in such a hostile world. Not everyone takes a martial art just for survival. There are many different reasons to undertake the study of the martial arts. I am simply asking martial artists to share how they think their art would fit in the senario.

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#298466 - 11/01/06 02:22 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it all [Re: zoth13]
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I picked MMA as a means of choosing "all of the above"

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#298467 - 11/01/06 02:25 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it all [Re: zoth13]
harlan Offline
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I think that knowing how to purify water, make a fire, skin your cat (for dinner)...would probably be more important to me than the fine art of breaking necks (Goju).

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I understand what you are saying, but I mean the best art for survival in the senario. I doubt someone who practices tai-chi would think their art is best suited to keep them alive in such a hostile world. Not everyone takes a martial art just for survival. There are many different reasons to undertake the study of the martial arts. I am simply asking martial artists to share how they think their art would fit in the senario.



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#298468 - 11/01/06 02:53 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it all [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
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Quote:

But that's EXACTLY what you are doing. You are asking what is the best art "to survive with". That's no different than, "what's the best art?".

And people are going to give whatever art they practice. End of thread.

All this poll will do is show how many people practice the arts listed, nothing more....




Now, now UofM. This is a great and relevant question. The answer of course, is BJJ f0r t3h w1n.
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#298469 - 11/01/06 03:29 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it all [Re: MattJ]
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Change it to one weapon art and one unarmed art, it's very incomplete otherwise, who oculd choose one. If I only could choose one it'd be combatives though.
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#298470 - 11/01/06 04:19 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: zoth13]
Dereck Offline
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I selected "Other" because I'm not worried about what Martial Art works and what doesn't. I want to survive and protect my family and if that means lighting somebody on fire, shooting them in the head, running them over with a vehicle, hitting them with a shovel, stabbing them with a knife, impaling them on a pole, using my weed eater to chew them up ... or anything that kills my assailants, that is the best.

I'm going to let instinct dictate how I will handle things. If I can kick them I will. If I have to punch them I will. If I have to take it to the ground I will. If I have to bite, scratch, pull hair or what have you I will. Luckily with several firearms in my basement locked up and plenty of ammo, I think this is going to be my best course of action to ensure that my family survives. I have a .270 Winchester Ranger Rifle that I'll pick them off at a distance. I have a Mosberg Riot Shotgun that I will use for up and close encounters. I have a .22 semi-auto Rugar Rifle with a 10 rotary clip and 2 x 100 clip magazines that I can randomly fire at a high rate. I have an assortment of hunting knives and skinning knives not to mention my nunchucks and a Samurai Sword. I have shovels, rakes, ice picks not to mention a whole tool cabinet full of weapons. I have a wife that can screech so loud that you have to cover your ears or walk out of the room.

What ever it takes and I won't be worried about what MA works best.
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#298471 - 11/01/06 11:41 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: Dereck]
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Registered: 12/09/04
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Loc: Oxford, England
Basicly...as soon as I'm armed with a cheese biscuit...Watch out
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#298472 - 11/02/06 01:07 AM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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I chose Ninjutsu, as the 9 ryu taught within what is thought of as 'ninjutsu' are not all focussed on unarmed violence. There is training in the use and preparation of medicine's, explosives, and a number of weapons, including archery, also there is training on the preparation of 'raw food'
Irrespective of its reputation and credibility issues, the actual skillset involved in authentic ninjutsu technicaly has more survival tools in its teachings than any other traditional MA, ergo has the best potential to be of use.
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#298473 - 11/02/06 01:54 AM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: zoth13]
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Loc: Malaysia
It is more instructive to see what art(s) carries the lowest percentage. I don't think it is a given that people will chose the art currently under study for the simple reason that many arts are really not suitable in the given scenario.

So far no one chose Aikido, BJJ, perhaps reflecting the perception that grappling, joint-locking, ground-fighting arts are really not effective in this kind of dog-eat-dog environment where 'survival-fighting' means anything goes.

Surely an edged weapons-centered art with a heavy emphasis on stick-cum-dagger fighting like Escrima/Kali would be good.

It is also anticipated that fighting will not be one-on-one most of the time and so mass-drilling of basic but effective weapons combat skills will be necessary and so weapons like the chinese kung fu spear will be usefull as it is easy to manufacture and learned. There will be some members of the extended family who may have no MA training at all and the spear with its long reach will allay the psychological fear of untrained people for close-in fighting.

I chose Escrima.

I already know how to skin a cat, BTW.
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#298474 - 11/02/06 08:22 AM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: Cord]
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Technically, Cord, you're picking Bujinkan. Ninjutsu comprises only 3 of the 9 ryu taught within the Bujinkan system.

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#298475 - 11/02/06 11:12 AM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: JoelM]
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ah yes, but those 3 ryu are not taught as individual arts anymore, they have been absorbed into the grouping that is taught in Bujinkan, Genbukan and related offshoot styles, therefore, to learn 'ninjutsu' in the modern day, you would have to have exposure to the other ryu as well. I believe this means my 'ownership' may be premature
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#298476 - 11/02/06 07:29 PM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: Cord]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Registered: 02/24/05
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Loc: California
Where's the Tai Chi selection? I want to choose the extreme ultimate fist as my doomsday style.

I'm an amateur survivalist. I've read the doomsday FAQ and the Nuclear FAQ. I know how to create gunpowder, leather and soap from base materials, various weapons (bows, flint knives, etc). I'm a half-decent archer. I've done enough hiking and camping to handle myself in the wild (creating shelters, starting a fire without matches, etc). I have not actually done everything I'd want (I've not gone fishing or skinned game before), but I know that I could cope with it if put in a situation where it were necessary.

I can construct various styles of shelters from a simple rain-proof screen to a full hut out of materials found in most environments. I know the usual survivalist methods of finding water in the desert and keeping warm in the cold that you can find in any book, although I've never had to apply it.

I'm pretty good with pottery in a pinch, I could make a mudbrick kiln pretty easily. I'm ok with woodwork and I know how to make electrical generators with base materials too (as long as I've got enough magnets and wire). I'm pretty sure that with two small metal plates, some wire, a few 2p and 10p coins, some salt water and a small pipe, I could create a capacitor which could spark enough to light a fire. Given the right equipment and materials, I could probably construct a transistor radio (thank you highschool physics/electronics).

I know about emergency signalling and how to set up traps for small game. I know basic first aid and resuscitation. I know how to treat most simple ailments from burns to frostbite. I can handle extended periods of solitude calmly. I'm pretty good with sewing, better at least than your average 21 year old male.

I am a fairly decent rock climber. I enjoy white water rafting and have studied surf rescue (I'm a very strong swimmer, especially in heavy surf, I topped my class). I'm also a damn fine cook if I do say so myself, especially when it comes to BBQ and open fires. I'd probably out-last most people by maybe two to three days if I just went out into the wilderness (what's left of it).

If you're interested in this sort of thing I'd recommend getting yourself a copy of the "SAS Survival Guide" and "How to survive anything, anywhere".
http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAS-Survival-Guide-Anywhere-Collins/dp/0007183305
http://www.amazon.com/Survive-Anything-Anywhere-Chris-McNab/dp/0071440534

Also refer to:
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/chp1.php
http://www.survivalist.info/
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq0.html
http://www.aircav.com/survival/asurtoc.html
http://www.equipped.com/fm21-76.htm
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/hazards-1.php
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/hazards-2.php
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/hazards-3.php

Join a surf rescue course, take up hiking, archery, sport shooting, skiing, first aid, join the scouts (I was one), do some rock climbing and absailing, take up weaving, tanning and sewing, pottery, woodwork, electronics, chemistry, metal work, cooking, etc. Anything which relates directly to working with things which aren't produced through a system of specialists but which can be done by an individual on their own.

I've managed to learn most of the above without it wrecking my life or becoming an obsession and all this in addition to my studies and MA. If I can pull that off, anyone can.

Well, that's my primer for Survivalism 101, basically all the information there to get anyone started in survival studies. There are tonnes of things you can learn about this sort of thing if you just go out and look for it. Yes, other paranoid survivalists like me exist out there too. Post-apocalyptica is a fascinating subject.

P.S. Don't get caught up in the paranoia.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (11/02/06 08:26 PM)
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#298477 - 11/03/06 01:36 AM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: Leo_E_49]
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Leo, you just listed my Fall holidays that I used to take.

My brother and law and I would gear up and go hunting and camping for a week in the bushes. We brought only what we needed and never went overboard. We'd go to an area far in the bushes and cut a path through the trees so that we could get the truck in. We'd set up a camp and hide it all in with trees and stuff. We'd set up 2 tents, one to sleep in and one for our supplies. We'd put up tarps to keep water off and build leantoos to break the wind. We'd camp and hunt and a lot of times just lay back in the bushes and fall asleep for hours. We'd split up and have walkie talkies to keep in touch.

I can hunt, gut and skin an animal. I can fish even without a rod making my own lure and finding my own bait. I'm also a great cook in the wilderness and know to cook something you only need a small fire which we would do all of the time by digging in the dirt down just enough to put some sticks in and have a little hot fire. I can start a fire with a flint but also have a survival kit with waterproof matches in a water tight container. This also has safety blankets, fishing string, needles (for sowing or repairing; injuries, tent, etc.), first aid material, compass, knife, hooks, candle, mirror, salt, spices, asperin, water purifying tablets, etc.

I've had to mend a tent when the zipper broke in the rain. I've washed days with cold water. I've boiled water and used purifying tablets. While hunting we've found several old trapper cabins. I've shot and ate grouse, fished and caught fish and ate in the bushes and loved every moment of it. It it too bad my brother-in-law and I had a falling out as we did this for so many years and was a great time. We'd go up North in Canada (Whitecourt/Fox Creek area) in September and it can get pretty cold some nights but enjoyed having a small fire while drinking hot chocolate mixed with Bailey's Irish Cream or Butter Riple Shnaps while looking at the stars and listening to the wilderness. Nobody around just us and nature. Good memories.
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#298478 - 11/03/06 07:28 AM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: Leo_E_49]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2637
Loc: Malaysia
How do I contact you when it happens (remember cellphones are out) You seem uesful to have around.
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#298479 - 11/03/06 08:31 AM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: ButterflyPalm]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Posts: 4117
Loc: California
The survivalists will inherit the Earth. Uhh, if you're within maybe 1-2 kilometres, you could probably catch me on AM radio. No way I'd be able to construct FM or UHF though, that's way beyond me.

In event of world-ending-catastrophe, refer to your nearest survialist for guidance.

P.S. Dereck, did you know that you can make a rudimentary water filter with a billy can, a few hankerchiefs/thin scarves, some gravel, pebbles, sand and iodine? After filtering through this, the water that you boil should be much clearer and easier to drink. I've never given it a try but I've always wanted to.

Also, I've always had trouble starting a fire with only sticks and tinder. Every time I try to make a bow for starting the fire it just goes out before the tinder lights. Any tips maybe?

P.P.S. Here's a really good recipie for biodiesel:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#biod

More here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel_production

I hear that most old engines can actually run on this stuff and that it makes a good substitute for regular diesel. I know for sure that an old VW Beetle can run on this (heck, what can't they run on?)

And here's a nice article on the basic principles of making a hydrogen fuel cell:

http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html

So much information online! It's great!


Edited by Leo_E_49 (11/03/06 08:53 AM)
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#298480 - 11/03/06 11:35 AM Re: Poll=The Apocalypse, Armageddon, the end of it [Re: Leo_E_49]
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What I would do, is join a crip gang and a blood gang and get them to kill each other and take everyhting they have.
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