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#298158 - 12/15/06 10:43 PM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: vegantkd]
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Kind of makes sense although I want examples of famous smart people who were vegetarians. I know very inteligent people who are meat eaters. Got to have qualitative evidence.
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#298159 - 12/15/06 11:12 PM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: Stormdragon]
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Kind of makes sense although I want examples of famous smart people who were vegetarians. I know very inteligent people who are meat eaters. Got to have qualitative evidence.



Well, how about Albert Einstein, Albert Schweitzer, Alice Walker, Ben Franklin, Dr. Spock (not the Star Trek guy although Leonard Nemoy is vegetarian too), Charles Darwin, Dr. Kellogg, Pythagoras, Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, Henry Heimlich, Thoreau, Rousseau, Tolstoy, Da Vinci, Ghandi, Peter Singer?

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#298160 - 12/15/06 11:53 PM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: vegantkd]
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Yeah that'll work. lol
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#298161 - 12/16/06 02:41 AM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: vegantkd]
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Well, how about Albert Einstein, Albert Schweitzer, Alice Walker, Ben Franklin, Dr. Spock (not the Star Trek guy although Leonard Nemoy is vegetarian too), Charles Darwin, Dr. Kellogg, Pythagoras, Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, Henry Heimlich, Thoreau, Rousseau, Tolstoy, Da Vinci, Ghandi, Peter Singer?




You forgot Adolf Hitler
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#298162 - 12/16/06 03:53 AM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: Cord]
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Yeah but Hitler wasn't so much intelligent as he was charismatic. And aside from that he was like one of those lameasses who says "I'm vegetarian but I eat chicken." He ate meat when he felt like it.

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#298163 - 12/16/06 08:45 AM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: vegantkd]
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Yeah but Hitler wasn't so much intelligent as he was charismatic.




So we agree that vegetarianism does not equate with intelligence?, nor benevolence.

there are so many levels of vegetarianism. From uber-vegan to 'fish and chicken grow on trees'.

As with every dietary choice, eating properly within the perameters you set yourself is what maximises your chances of health benefit. A clueless vegan is going to come into severe nutrient deficiency very quickly, making them in far worse health than an omnivor who likes a steak at the weekend.

figures regarding veggies having better physiological health are also misleading, as they do not indicate related factors that may contribute to the results.

people who make such a big lifestyle change as to become veggies often do so out of a perception that it is the 'healthy' option. Such people are also less likely to smoke, drink heavily, and more likely to take some form of exercise. As stereotypical as it may sound, having been in the fitness industry for some time, it is an observation that the 'vegeterian mindset' gravitates towards things such as pilates and yoga- known for their 'stress busting' qualities.

The chances are that a meat eater, who does not smoke, drink heavily, takes regular exercise incorporating stress management techniques, will have just as robust a physiology as a vegetarian.

Conversely, a hard drinking chain smoking veggie who's idea of exercise is the new Wii controller is very likely to be on his way to an early grave.

Statistics only prove what the collators want them to prove.
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#298164 - 12/16/06 10:20 AM Re I AM VEGETARIAN BECAUSE I HAVE DIABETES [Re: Cord]
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Quelab, welcome to the forums. I appreciate that you appear to be speaking from personal experience regarding your diabetes, but I will not allow any link to products that encourage insulin dependant diabetics to ditch this life saving medication in favour of sauna's and homeopathic remedies. simply no medical backing or endorsment of such an act, and insulin keeps many 100o's of people alive.
I also have no idea if this is advertising or not as i have no idea of you and your intentions on this site- advertising is not allowed, so another reason your post has been deleted.

It also had NOTHING to do with the discussion regarding vegetarian diets.

No advertising. No advocating potentialy fatal health management systems. No derailing of threads.

Simple rules. See how you do from there.

Cord.


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#298165 - 12/16/06 12:57 PM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: Cord]
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So we agree that vegetarianism does not equate with intelligence?, nor benevolence.





Damn people, I still never said one way or the other. Stop assuming I'm taking a side. Personally I don't care if vegetarians are smarter. I know that I'm vegan and that I'm intelligent and that I'm a good athlete and that's all that matters to me. I could care less if Einstein was vegetarian or Hitler was vegetarian.
And as far as nutrition goes, I already said each diet has it's own pros and cons. I did it for ethical reasons without regard to nutrition at the time (of course I subsequently learned about the nutritional aspects of it). And all the people I know who say "I tried being vegetarian but I got really sick." all give me the same answer when I ask them what kind of food they ate: "I ate a LOT of pizza and I tried them veggieburgers." Yeah well guess what, if you're a meat eater and you eat nothing but pizza and cheeseburgers you're still going to get sick.

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#298166 - 12/16/06 02:52 PM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: vegantkd]
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I fail to see how there can be any correlation between vegetarianism and intelligence. There are far too many people whom I would consider intelligent who are not vegetarians and vice versa. Just as there are certainly vegetarians out there who are not as intelligent and vice versa. Not to mention the definition of what it is to be intelligent is very much so dependant on one's social surrounding.

I for one am a vegetarian for religious reasons.

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#298167 - 12/16/06 03:17 PM Re: Any vegetarians here? [Re: Christie]
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What I find funny about the article that I posted is that their big finding was that less than 1/20 (366) of their test group were vegetarian BUT 1/3 of those weren't actually even vegetarians. So actually about 122 were vegetarian. And they don't mention anything about how that correlated with the actual IQ's. Unless I missed something.


Edited by vegantkd (12/16/06 03:36 PM)

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