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#297903 - 10/30/06 08:15 PM Kicking in self defense
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Those of you who practice taekwondo understand that kicking is a large component of our art. When practicing self defense how often are kicks applied in your self defense step sparring?

I going to generalize here but many of the korean forms of self defense prefer and intersting step when doing their one-three step sparring. Many styles of karate prefer to end the exercise with a sweep or a throw. Something that takes the opponent down so they end up lying on their back. It is reference in many books and magazine articles that korean arts prefr to end their combos with a kick, usually a jump kick.

Now if any of you heard an old schooler talk about the kind of taekwondo they did back in korea or in the 60's in the united states, you will hear that many of the fancy spinning kicks of today were not employed back then. However, the many basic kicks such as the front, round and back kicks were used with a jump. Usually to end the encounter with an assailant permanently.

I'm not sure how all the schools practice today but I'm sure TKD still uses kicks in their self defense step sparring, although they may no longer favor that last jump kick as a finishing blow. So I ask you, is this how your school approaches self defense? If so how do you feel about it? Do you prefer another way such as the karates vesion of the sweep/throw technique?

If you do't understand me, write me and I wll clarify for you so that you can take part in the conversation.


Personally for me, I like this unique approach that TKD takes. It's something not often done by other styles of karate and I reall think it works just as good as if not better than the usual sweep or take down.

-Tek
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#297904 - 10/30/06 09:08 PM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: TeK9]
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My TKD instructor had laways stated that high and jump kicks were ineffective in self-defense.

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#297905 - 10/30/06 09:18 PM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: 47MartialMan]
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I prefer to leave both of my feet firmly on the ground during a fight. There is no quicker way of being taken down than when you are on one leg, regardless of how quick or how low you keep the kick.



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#297906 - 10/30/06 09:33 PM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: JKogas]
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Im not so adamant. I will kick. Its not often i do it to the head or anything, but I still practice them. I love a stiff MT Roundhouse to the knee. I attack the legs alot but Im comfortable kicking at any height. Its something that really has to be worked constantly though.
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#297907 - 10/30/06 09:58 PM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: 47MartialMan]
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47martialman,
Thanks now we know how he feels about it, now how about you tell us your opinoin on the matter?
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#297908 - 10/30/06 10:04 PM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: TeK9]
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Kicks to the knee is the stuff for me, although I don't do step sparring anymore. When I work my drills on the heavy bag it usually involves at least one knee kick per combo. I've also got a love for using elbows as a finisher at the end of a combo just because you can place them in the most unlikely timing and it should be pretty unexpected.
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#297909 - 10/30/06 10:09 PM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: Chen Zen]
TeK9 Offline
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I know what you mean chen, I also like ending a scenerio with a nice round kick to the back of my oppoenents knees to take him down. It also helps if you do a grab a shoulder and pull to get the push/pull motion on the sweep. I copied this from Beeny "the jet" Urquidez.

I also role modeled by back kicks just like him too. I would do a good back kick as a finisher.
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#297910 - 10/30/06 10:11 PM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: Chen Zen]
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Quote:

Its something that really has to be worked constantly though.




It's also the first thing to go.



-John

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#297911 - 10/30/06 11:13 PM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: JKogas]
Chen Zen Offline
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Thats what I hear but i havent experienced it personally. im a litle younger than you though.
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#297912 - 10/31/06 01:59 AM Re: Kicking in self defense [Re: Chen Zen]
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I'll kick if the opportunity comes up but to be honest I find I use my knees more due to instinctively I'm clinching up. This can be good and this can be bad but grabbing the back of their head just seems so natural and so does the knee. Of course I admit that I need far more experience, training and application before I feel I can make any positive decisions.

If a kicking opportunity does arise it will be very low and more then likely to the knee. Though WTF I find for this I'm kicking more with the front leg, much like our ITF affiliates. Its fast and I realize that I'm more just trying to catch them off guard or give them somewhere else to focus on while I try to attack else where. Mind you this is all here say as this is mainly control sparring.
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