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#297518 - 11/01/06 04:58 PM Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? [Re: Prizewriter]
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Loc: Olympia, WA
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I highly appreciate your in-depth reply. However, what was my misunderstanding?





Then why the pretext? Why the introduction to the "original" samuari arts?

You seemed to infer that i) Aikijujutsu and Ju Jutsu were the oldest arts of Japan, and ii) this is what you studied.

The first one is up for some serious questioning. Records show warriors of Japan engaging in Sumai (sumo) long before Jujutsu is mentioned. It is hard to determine the original arts of the samuari.

Second, as Neil said, what Bernie does isn't Aikijujutsu in the traditional sense. You seem to indicate you study the art that the samauri studied. Judging by what Neil said, this isn't necessarily the case. You study a system that Bernie came up with based on his own training. But as Neil also said, that doesn't make it any less functional or valid. If you enjoy it, keep doing it.

P.S. Apologies about getting the Daito ryu/Don Agnier thing muddled. I admit I sped read his bio, so am sorry for the mistake.



IMHO, you possibly sped read through all of my post on this thread I started. I never infered anything. A big difference exist between "two of the oldest" & "the two oldest". Plus, I did post it was my first class. Therefore, you incorrectly spoke in the past tense, "that is what you studied". Again, I never posted that I study, or intend to study, the specific art the Samurai studied. Also, Bernie Lau is not my instructor. Sensei Wayne Brannon is affiliated with Lau, yet is independent from him.

I never, ever intended to start some kind of historical debate or scream a declaration of supremacy here. I merely was hoping for some input from those that study Akijujutsu.






Then why the opening statement?

"Aikijutsu and Jiu Jutsu were the original unarmed combat systems of the Samurai, and are the two of the oldest unarmed combat systems in Japan"

"I had my first class at NorthWest Defensive Arts, which actually offers instruction in Aikido & Aikijutsu"

"I noticed the NWD Arts Dojo seems to lean more towards Aikijujutsu"

You started off by telling people on these forums what Aikijujutsu, as you understood it, was.

You then followed this on by saying you went to a class at a dojo that seemed to teach Aikijujutsu.

By inference, it could be construed that you believe yourself to be studying the art of the samuari as your opening paragraph established the initial rheme, then continued this thematical progression by linking the (art of the samuari) with your own physical context (dojo you study at teaches aikijujutsu, which, according to your opening paragraph, was the art of the samuari). Your Hyper theme, as with all monological texts, was established in the opening paragraph.

How is saying "this is what you studied" tensely incorrect? This is what you studied. You went to class in the past, you class has since been completed, you made no point of saying you were to return, therefore it is perfectly acceptable to say "that is what you studied", because, well, that is what you studied.

You are perfectly correct however, in that you did not say "the oldest arts in Japan". However, you did say they were the "original" arts of the samuari. Hence my misunderstanding of what you meant. (even thought I wrongly said you referred to them as the oldest arts in Japan). Sorry about that.

You mentioned Bernie Lau, so it was more a response to his credentials, rather than your instructors. I honestly didn't want to investigate his credentials too, having already tried to find out about Bernie Lau and Don Agnier!

From what I have read and Neil's post, it seems that the Aikijujutsu taught the dojo you attended is not an out an out Aikijujutsu class. Rather, it seems to be a combination of Aikido and Ju Jutsu that the dojo you attended calls Aikijujutsu. If it combines Aikido and Jujutsu, then it seems a fine name.

As it was your first class (and possibly last, who knows!), and knowing that it is very very rare to find a fully qualified and authentic Aikijujutsu teacher, I was concerned that you may have entered a McDojo. Hence my initial request for you to post on the Daito Ryu website. It wasn't anything personal, its just that there are many tales of so called Aikijujutsu teachers who are fake. As Don Agnier said, they learn a bit of Aikido, some Judo, and lump it together and brand it Aikijujutsu.

If you want to have conversation with people who study Aikijujutsu, again, it would be a better topic for the Datio Ryu forum. Although you don't study Daito Ryu, what you have described is closer to Daito Ryu than Aikido, so you are less likely to get a response here.

Good luck and no hard feelings.





I appreciate the critique of my post... NOT. I started out explaining NWD Arts, per the website... as I understood it! The rest of your "battle of words" I will not address. My intention was never to have an argument in this thread.

Sensei Wayne Brannon does not teach Daito Ryu Akijujutsu. He teaches both Akido & Akijujutsu, along with the other styles mentioned on his NWD Arts website. Nonetheless, I will mention this Daito Ryu at class this evening, which of course I intended to attend more than the initial visit, LOL.

I must admit, this is not the reception here in this Akido Forum that I had originally anticipated.

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#297519 - 11/01/06 05:34 PM Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? [Re: SouthernTiger]
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Listen don't worry, it was a simple misunderstanding. I probably picked up on your post all wrong. I use to be a linguistic student; I still get pedantic flashes now and again!

Don't get put off posting again though. Enjoy your training and hope it works out for you.

Good luck.
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#297520 - 01/06/07 02:12 AM Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? [Re: Prizewriter]
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Registered: 11/12/06
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Loc: Tacoma, Washington USA
I was recently told of this post and would like to set the record straight. My name is Wayne L. Brannon and I am the Founder and Head Instructor of Northwest Defensive Arts. First, my credentials. I started in wrestling and competed from age 8 to age 16. I began my martial arts training in Jujutsu and Japanese Weapons arts at age 12 in 1970. My current rank is 5th dan in Jujutsu and 3rd Dan in Weapons. I also trained in Song Moo Kwon Tae Kwon Do from 1974 to 1976 and hold a 2nd Dan in that art. From 1976 to 1979 I competed in Full contact as a Kickboxer and retired with a 16-6-2 (11 KOs) record. From 1982 to 1994 I worked as a Bodyguard, Security Agent, and Bouncer. In 1988 I began my affiliation with both The Tacoma Aiki Dojo and Bernie Lau's Washington Budokan and Icho Ryu Aikijutsu. Upon starting that affiliation I put on a White Belt and worked my way up the ranks to my current rank of 5th Dan. I also trained in Sambo for 1 year and have trained in Kali and Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu but claim no rank.
Now to set the record straight. I do not claim to teach Aikijujutsu, neither Daito Ryu or any other system. If you want me to define what I teach it would be "Modern Combat Tactics based on Ancient Combat Principles". My entire philosophy in martial arts is and has always been one of practicality. Techniques and principles that work in the dojo but not in real life against uncooperative assailants look great but can get you hurt or worse. I do not mean to put anybody's training or system down so please don't take offense to that statement. If you come to my dojo to learn, yes, you will be taught Jujutsu. Yes, you will be taught the sword, staff and knife. I use weapons techniques to teach principles of Ma-ai(distancing), blending and entering skills, and the direct relationship between weapons and empty hand techniques. Yes, you will be taught Icho Ryu Aikijutsu techniques and principles. But... No, you will not recieve rank in Icho Ryu from me at my dojo. To students who earn rank from me, I issue my own certificates of rank the same way I have for almost 30 years. The only person who will issue ranks in Icho Ryu Aikijutsu is Neil Yamamoto, the current head of the system and a person whose friendship I greatly appreciate and whose advice and instruction I will always seek and follow as best I can. Even though I am fast approaching 4 decades in martial arts, I still (and I hope I always will) consider myself a work in progress and I will continue to seek the advice of people I respect.
Sincerely,
Wayne L. Brannon
Northwest Defensive Arts

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#297521 - 01/09/07 12:41 AM Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? [Re: SenseiNWDA]
SouthernTiger Offline
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Registered: 09/01/06
Posts: 13
Loc: Olympia, WA
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I was recently told of this post and would like to set the record straight. My name is Wayne L. Brannon and I am the Founder and Head Instructor of Northwest Defensive Arts. First, my credentials. I started in wrestling and competed from age 8 to age 16. I began my martial arts training in Jujutsu and Japanese Weapons arts at age 12 in 1970. My current rank is 5th dan in Jujutsu and 3rd Dan in Weapons. I also trained in Song Moo Kwon Tae Kwon Do from 1974 to 1976 and hold a 2nd Dan in that art. From 1976 to 1979 I competed in Full contact as a Kickboxer and retired with a 16-6-2 (11 KOs) record. From 1982 to 1994 I worked as a Bodyguard, Security Agent, and Bouncer. In 1988 I began my affiliation with both The Tacoma Aiki Dojo and Bernie Lau's Washington Budokan and Icho Ryu Aikijutsu. Upon starting that affiliation I put on a White Belt and worked my way up the ranks to my current rank of 5th Dan. I also trained in Sambo for 1 year and have trained in Kali and Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu but claim no rank.

Now to set the record straight. I do not claim to teach Aikijujutsu, neither Daito Ryu or any other system. If you want me to define what I teach it would be "Modern Combat Tactics based on Ancient Combat Principles". My entire philosophy in martial arts is and has always been one of practicality. Techniques and principles that work in the dojo but not in real life against uncooperative assailants look great but can get you hurt or worse. I do not mean to put anybody's training or system down so please don't take offense to that statement. If you come to my dojo to learn, yes, you will be taught Jujutsu. Yes, you will be taught the sword, staff and knife. I use weapons techniques to teach principles of Ma-ai(distancing), blending and entering skills, and the direct relationship between weapons and empty hand techniques. Yes, you will be taught Icho Ryu Aikijutsu techniques and principles. But... No, you will not recieve rank in Icho Ryu from me at my dojo. To students who earn rank from me, I issue my own certificates of rank the same way I have for almost 30 years. The only person who will issue ranks in Icho Ryu Aikijutsu is Neil Yamamoto, the current head of the system and a person whose friendship I greatly appreciate and whose advice and instruction I will always seek and follow as best I can. Even though I am fast approaching 4 decades in martial arts, I still (and I hope I always will) consider myself a work in progress and I will continue to seek the advice of people I respect.
Sincerely,
Wayne L. Brannon
Northwest Defensive Arts



Sir, thank you for setting the record straight. BTW, I enjoyed class this evening & look forward to many more.
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#297522 - 01/09/07 07:17 AM Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? [Re: SenseiNWDA]
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Good to hear from you and good to have you someone of your experience on the forums. I hope it isn't a sojourn for this thread only!

It sounds like an excellent class. Southern Tiger, glad you enjoy it and keep at it!

All the best to both of you, and sorry if my previous posts seemed harsh. I was simply trying to understand the situation. It has now been resolved by Mr Brannon, so thanks for that.
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