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#296425 - 11/21/06 05:02 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: founderofryoute1]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
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Personally I am going to buy a boken, sai, bo and The Great Karate Myth and decide for myself

that is your flaw.

thinking with those things you will be equipt to qualify yourself to be able to make such a judgement.

I challenge you to seek a qualified kobudo instructor, study for a few years...then re-evaluate.

#296426 - 11/21/06 05:09 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
cxt Offline
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Darn it Ed!

How are people going to advance their weird, poorly researched and poorly supported claims if you INSIST on be all "logical" and providing pictures and everything to counter their claims????

Really how??

Plus--in all seriousnes now---the pictures presented, the ones that Kodo/gang and company are referring to represent a "claw" or "even a "four knuckle" strike.

Either way--that is SO NOT how you hold a sai.

And if they "switch gears" and argue that its sort of "hidden" then the finger postions they point to cease to become even ertz support.

You got them coming AND going.
I did battle with ignorance today.......and ignorance won. Huey.

#296427 - 11/21/06 05:18 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: cxt]
shoshinkan Offline
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Just to clarify that the reason I havent posted direct quotes from the book is that I believe it would be taken out of context,

and whilst I disagree with much of the book I dont want to be seen to be trying to discredit Kodo Ryu as I find their view on things interesting and usefull, particulary the research aspect.

Im also not sure of the legal or morale aspect of posting direct from the book, I guess I could have asked for permission??????

Anyhow no matter as my copy is on its way to Victor, who is the Sokey Dokey and im sure will give his balanced view.

If anyone wants a peek after Victor then let me know and we can try and arrange (Ed?).
Jim Neeter

#296428 - 11/21/06 05:31 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: gaugustcrane]
Neko456 Offline
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Did you see Ed photos of the empty hand purpose of those hand positions? Now who is close minded the people debating here are not saying you can't use the sais in that position but thats its not the ONLY interpetation for that move.

It reminds me of the time I taught Gaisai-di-ni with sai it only suppose to be a training drill to get them use to sai movement with a Kata they already knew. A group went to a Tournament and won with it. The Next tournament I spent the whole time explaining it was never suppose to leave the dojo!! I had an excuse. People that know me know I don't think much of Tourneys accept for fellowshiping.

I commend your steadfastness but most have already cross that bridge and no matter what you write or say, won't make what you think and practice true. Really whose close mind could you even imagine Miyagi, Oyama, Uechi, Funakoshi and on and on, that maybe they are right to bow and call "it" empty hand art.

This Zen stuff is a Kendo process, from Japan. Te or Karate is about developing the mind, spirit and Body to whip a$$ empty handed if need be but adapt to ones enviroment and you are right here use a weapon if you need to.

Please take your dark glass off you are among peers, you are not a Super Star or the only one with concret ideas. Could you imagine anyone else but Nathan being Right???

Great call Ed, he acted as if no one knew but him, Goju has those clawing hand position all throught it, empty hand 1st.

Edited by Neko456 (11/21/06 05:36 PM)

#296429 - 11/21/06 05:33 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: shoshinkan]
cxt Offline
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Fair enough--don't think "context" would be all that hard to overcome though.

In terms of "fair use" you should be allowed to quote directly with proper attibution.

The same things that make it a "good" quote, title, page number, author, decent context background as the same things that keep you from "stealing" a persons work.

You can quote chapter and verse from almost any published work---AS LONG AS YOU ARE QUOTING CHAPTER AND VERSE.

Of course, there ARE contextual matters to consider.

What a discussion is for.

There has been some pretty sloppy "logic" presented so far--including a statement that you need to train in an art PRIOR to knowing what its about.

This from a guy that does NOT practice Uechi-ryu or any type of sword--then makes claims about sword and Uechi-ryu.

Man can't follow his own advice--then why should anyone be listening?

Context, at this point, is the least of their problems.

My supplier tells me I should be able to get a copy from him in 3 or so weeks.

Don't know if that the case, or if I can wait that long as I can pay someone back for the costs of shipping and "wear and tear" I would like to see it.

Edited by cxt (11/21/06 05:36 PM)
I did battle with ignorance today.......and ignorance won. Huey.

#296430 - 11/21/06 06:14 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: CVV]
gaugustcrane Offline

Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 21
Loc: Belgium
miyagi closed the fists.

#296431 - 11/21/06 06:19 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
gaugustcrane Offline

Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 21
Loc: Belgium
If we can't spell names properly this is going to be a crap discussion. A

Top pictre please. Right hand. And any reasons why he performs this hand position would be welcomed.


#296432 - 11/21/06 06:25 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: cxt]
gaugustcrane Offline

Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 21
Loc: Belgium
place the sai in the right hand, pommel up with the centre prong of the trident against the forearm. The little finger and the indew are raised as they press against the foil of the sai (on the right side of the handle) to keep it pressed against the forearm.
The left arm is blocking and catching with the second sai.

Or use your teachings and explain why he's doing that. Show me I'm wrong. He's punching someone with two fingers? No, he's grappling? or just thought it looked good?

Give me what you think? You obviously know.

#296433 - 11/21/06 06:32 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
gaugustcrane Offline

Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 21
Loc: Belgium
You giving me spelling and grammar classes now?
Petty. You got the meaning, "DO".

So you didn't write a book or produce a dvd? Okay. That makes Nathan stupid because he's thinking about what we are doing? Perhaps you didn't find anything to write about because you knew it all.

Doubt it.

Ed, you seem bitter about books being written and you having to pay for them.

You don't think Nathan is qualified to write on this topic; then drop it from your Christmas list.

#296434 - 11/21/06 06:39 PM Re: Kodoryu [Re: Ed_Morris]
gaugustcrane Offline

Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 21
Loc: Belgium
Many sources state that Miyagi sythesised Tensho from Rokushu, over here.

"Encyclopedie des arts martiaux" amphora, france for one.

It's common knowledge in most parts of Europe.

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