Good to see you Bossman

Hi all

Am trying my best to go through and answer some questions and will post it all later on.

Just wanted to answer a comment by Mr Rowe a.k.a Bossman.

"I think Tom just likes a good argument"

Steve this is not the first comment like this you have a made about me and you used to do it quite alot over on the Shikon forum. You have said such things as I need to get out more and you could teach far better applications than what is in Kodoryu armed or unarmed, also you have a called me naive. Well how about you drop the comments about me for a moment and give a serious critique on Nathan's research into Naihanchi, or Uechi sanchin's original function as a Sai kata. I love a good debate yes not an arguement but I don't like being put down by someone that doesn't even know me and I would expect more from someone who is as senior as yourself and also a friend of Nathan's.

Care to commit an opinion of Naihanchi (not your own power sourcing version) but the one Nathan has researched?

hi Steve,


good to see you in this section, where have you made 1,000 plus posts on FA - I didn't notice????????????

don't divert. answer the technical questions.

OK Guys,

Im going to make this very clear - keep things polite and on topic, personal issues have no place here, otherwise - thread closed.

We have a nice oppertunity to have a good discussion about Nathan's work, The Great Karate Myth.

My first direct question to Tom is could you state the length of time training, grades obtained, from who and in which systems by Nathan or other relevant KoDo Ryu Seniors outside of the KoDo Ryu grades detailed on the website.

I am particulary interested in Goju, Uechi or Shorin Ryu background of the Okinawan flavour.

Please understand that this is not intended to trip anyone up, or even draw conclusions from it, we are all aware that skill and knowledge come from many places!

But I think it is relevant as the 'karate' establishment is essentially what Nathans work is based around, hence we should be aware of his/Seniors expieirence in that world.

I think I will start another thread since when it comes to the topic of weapons and kata...the kodoryu people don't seem to like the technical debate.

but the irony is, the reason they can't site the book's 'facts' is probably since that less people would buy the book if they tell what it's facts and sources are. lol

I only need one source: where it is written or documented that Chinese police used sai-like weapons? It's certainly not unreasonable if it were true, but since that is central to the theory, Mr. Johnson must have sited a source for that info.

Chill out Tom, if you go around challenging everyone you've got to expect a little bit of stick back! It reminds me of the story of the husband who phones his wife to tell her that there is a nutcase driving the wrong way on the motorway she's on and she replies there's not one - there's hundreds of 'em!

Have you wondered why everyone's driving the other way to you?

I worked for hours with Nathan at his house and at the university whilst he worked his way through the two handed and one handed grappling, he taught the form and applications on many of my courses I wrote the preface to some of his books and have acknowledgement in the 'Myth'. TBH he'd be horrified at this thread (or probably think everyone was daft) my views? He's brilliant. I love his ideas. They're totally different to mine and that's why I like them and him.

He gave me a copy of the book and DVD - and I will read it! But meanwhile I quote from the page it just fell open at:

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I respect the major Karate founders and those honest individuals who have, by the sweat of their brows kept Karate alive, not with a bunch of eccentric flow charts, wacky theories and naive opinions but through sweat and effort in the Dojo

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Nathan works with his research in the Dojo and that's why I respect him. I don't think you do him any favours on these forums.