oh yeah, i know who krishnamurti is. i just meant was there anything specific he wrote about that has significance to martial artists. i am not very familiar with his works but i will look into it.

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The point is not that what he wrote was related to martial arts. The writing and his thought pertained to the whole of life and living not just a portion of life. It could appreciated by anyone not just martial artists.

First of all, Fletch nailed it in MY opinion. Very well said there bro.

Secondly, Dereck is right in many ways himself. I've experienced the same mentality (survival of the fitest). I suppose it depends on the group you're working with. All gyms are generally reflections of the group leader.

I have always been more into philosophy myself. Perhaps that's why I run my gym the way I do. To me, it isn't about winning and feeling the need to "tap everyone out" that's within sight. It's about learning, sharing the art and working to create an environment where EVERYONE helps everyone else to grow and be the best they can become. I preach that a lot so, I suppose I keep all the guys who feel the same way and lose the guys who don't. Doesn't bother me either way -- I'm not in this for the money (which is good 'cause I damn sure am not making any!)


-John

I think Fletch gave the best answer possible. Better than mine would have been.

Well, in more traditional styles there are belts, titles, bowing, chain of commands, and tons of formalities which are part of learning respect right? In boxing / MMA there is still respect, without the symbols and "forced" respect.

If I was working with a boxing trainer who was helping me, teaching me knew things, improving my boxing, etc. Well, they would have my respect. I wouldn't snap to attention everytime they talked, call them "sir" or bow everytime they came near me. Those things are in a sense "Artificial" in that they show respect, but don't have to mean it.

Philosophy is the same. It is there, but the "Artificial" or "For show" stuff isn't there. Either you get it or you don't, you don't get to quote some old Chinese guys and fake it when you don't mean it.

A person can snap to attention, bow, "sir" and show all the respect in the world, and not mean any of it. They can also read and quote off all the traditional philosophy you can find and not get or live by any of it.

oldman, Rorion Gracie and then Maurice Smith are more responsible for MMA than any philosopher.

Oooooh, gotta disagree with that. You stepped in it with that one. Mark?

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oldman, Rorion Gracie and then Maurice Smith are more responsible for MMA than any philosopher.

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Why would I disagree with Migo. I think he is quite insightfull. Myself, Rorian and Moe have all left our imprint on the MMA landscape. Plus I am certain Krishnamurti would not accept responsibility for the phenomenon.