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#296138 - 10/25/06 12:29 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: oldman]
vegantkd Offline

Registered: 09/06/06
Posts: 121
oh yeah, i know who krishnamurti is. i just meant was there anything specific he wrote about that has significance to martial artists. i am not very familiar with his works but i will look into it.

#296139 - 10/25/06 12:39 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: vegantkd]
oldman Offline
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Registered: 07/28/04
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The point is not that what he wrote was related to martial arts. The writing and his thought pertained to the whole of life and living not just a portion of life. It could appreciated by anyone not just martial artists.

#296140 - 10/25/06 03:11 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: schanne]
Dereck Offline

Registered: 10/04/04
Posts: 10416
Loc: Great White North

It fits right into it, just as you said, a little respect and not much's all about fighting and staying alive in the cage.

This I can agree with and what I have seen from others involvement in MMA. New comers don't get the respect from my experience as the top dogs have the ego and new comers are generally meat. Those that can tough it out later earn the respect and then they work well together to train. The thing is too many people head into MMA schools that train fighters who actually fight and they think they are tough and know all of that. Many can't cut it and they get tuned in very quickly and the others that can hang in may never be MMA fighters but they are good partners to train with and by working with these more elite fighters, their own skills increase.

Again this is my experience with MMA schools that "train" fighters to fight and this may not necessarily be the same for MMA schools such as John Kogas that teach MMA on a different level and is for everybody who wants to give it a try. I'm sure with a school like this there is much more respect.

#296141 - 10/25/06 05:40 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: Dereck]
JKogas Offline

Registered: 01/25/03
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First of all, Fletch nailed it in MY opinion. Very well said there bro.

Secondly, Dereck is right in many ways himself. I've experienced the same mentality (survival of the fitest). I suppose it depends on the group you're working with. All gyms are generally reflections of the group leader.

I have always been more into philosophy myself. Perhaps that's why I run my gym the way I do. To me, it isn't about winning and feeling the need to "tap everyone out" that's within sight. It's about learning, sharing the art and working to create an environment where EVERYONE helps everyone else to grow and be the best they can become. I preach that a lot so, I suppose I keep all the guys who feel the same way and lose the guys who don't. Doesn't bother me either way -- I'm not in this for the money (which is good 'cause I damn sure am not making any!)


Edited by JKogas (10/25/06 05:56 PM)

#296142 - 10/25/06 07:00 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: JKogas]
Chen Zen Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
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I think Fletch gave the best answer possible. Better than mine would have been.
"When I let Go of who I am, I become who I might be."
Lao Tzu

#296143 - 10/25/06 08:58 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: butterfly]
stormbringer Offline

Registered: 04/04/06
Posts: 277
Loc: Florida

Google is our friend.

Try typing in: the answer to life, the universe, and everything and see what you get. back to the topic, I have to agree with the statement that the art itself is a philosophy. I don't yet to MMA, but I plan on complimenting my TKD with Judo. TKD emphasis is on striking, dominant kicking, and several hand techniques. Judo is about the ground fight. My personal philosophy is to be the best I can, and for that, I combine the philosophies of various martial arts to make them my own.
EDITED for typo

Edited by stormbringer (10/25/06 09:00 PM)
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#296144 - 10/26/06 12:17 AM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: vegantkd]
AndrewGreen Offline

Registered: 01/11/06
Posts: 170
Well, in more traditional styles there are belts, titles, bowing, chain of commands, and tons of formalities which are part of learning respect right? In boxing / MMA there is still respect, without the symbols and "forced" respect.

If I was working with a boxing trainer who was helping me, teaching me knew things, improving my boxing, etc. Well, they would have my respect. I wouldn't snap to attention everytime they talked, call them "sir" or bow everytime they came near me. Those things are in a sense "Artificial" in that they show respect, but don't have to mean it.

Philosophy is the same. It is there, but the "Artificial" or "For show" stuff isn't there. Either you get it or you don't, you don't get to quote some old Chinese guys and fake it when you don't mean it.

A person can snap to attention, bow, "sir" and show all the respect in the world, and not mean any of it. They can also read and quote off all the traditional philosophy you can find and not get or live by any of it.

#296145 - 10/26/06 08:41 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: oldman]
migo Offline

Registered: 09/03/06
Posts: 573
Loc: Burnaby, BC, Canada
oldman, Rorion Gracie and then Maurice Smith are more responsible for MMA than any philosopher.

#296146 - 10/26/06 09:38 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: migo]
Chen Zen Offline
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Oooooh, gotta disagree with that. You stepped in it with that one. Mark?
"When I let Go of who I am, I become who I might be."
Lao Tzu

#296147 - 10/26/06 09:47 PM Re: MMA & Philosophy [Re: Chen Zen]
oldman Offline
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oldman, Rorion Gracie and then Maurice Smith are more responsible for MMA than any philosopher.

Why would I disagree with Migo. I think he is quite insightfull. Myself, Rorian and Moe have all left our imprint on the MMA landscape. Plus I am certain Krishnamurti would not accept responsibility for the phenomenon.

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