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#295895 - 10/25/06 04:12 PM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Jsa. I assume that means Japanese sword art? Correct me if Im wrong on that.




You've got it right. JSA is a fairly common abbreviation for Japanese Sword Art, and as I said before, if practical unarmed self defense is what you are after, JSAs are probably not for you.
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#295896 - 10/25/06 05:27 PM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Yea when I read that it seemed like you meant your instructor was the guy everyone thinks is the Janitor.
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#295897 - 10/25/06 06:50 PM Re: Ten years? [Re: kyokushinkai]
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good i wasnt the only one then
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#295898 - 10/25/06 08:46 PM Re: Ten years? [Re: kyokushinkai]
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Yea when I read that it seemed like you meant your instructor was the guy everyone thinks is the Janitor.



Nope. It's the lot of those who have been practicing so long that they no longer qualify for participation in tournaments, but who not long enough to participate in the judging at a tournament. Tournaments only allow students up to Rokudan to compete. You'll generally find only the top folks(read 35+ years) doing judging or just plain watching. That leaves everyone in between doing setup. So quite literally my instructor might be one of the folks sweeping the floor before a tournament or doing any number of other setup tasks.

The point of course was to illustrate that even after 26 years of training, there's still a long way to go. Here he is relatively big fish in a very small pond. In Japan, he is very much a little fish in a great big pond, and he's the first to admit it.

Now as the question of how you meant to use the term "Master". Perhaps you meant instructor. The first teaching license in my branch is Rokudan Renshi. It varies a lot based on student and dedication level, but it is quite possible for a dedicated student with access to a good instructor to reach Renshi at around 10 to 12 years.
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#295899 - 10/26/06 07:56 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Actually, Japanese swordsmanship has a great deal to teach you about self-defense. Beyond the various tachidori waza, or sword disarming techniques, which are readily adaptable to empty-hand applications and other small weapons (usually resulting in locks and throws), you have more subtle, and much more important skills. Some of the major skills include the development of mushin (a quiet, receptive mind), zanshin (awareness), and taisabaki (body movement).

The first in particular (mushin) is developed from day one with good instruction in arts such as Iaido, which on the surface appear to have absolutely no practical self-defense applications at all. Possessing the ability to see the reality of a given situation and also in the intentions of others, along with an overall spatial awareness and ability to move correctly will save you from most dangerous encounters in your daily life.

In addition, within the waza or kata themselves, many cuts are easily turned into strikes or kicks, and there are deeper principles of combat (heiho, or strategies) that can be adapted to any situation, regardless of weapon, or lack thereof.

All that said, many teachers today in these arts do not teach these things (or their practice has been abandoned), which is perhaps a source of confusion, and somewhat unfortunate, but thatís really not the fault of the arts themselves.

Regardless, thatís just my opinion, others may vary.
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#295900 - 10/26/06 08:03 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: A.J. Bryant]
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AJ is right. There are some practical applications. I don't want to give the impression that JSA training is completely useless. But if you're goal is practical self defense, your time would be more efficiently spent in something like Aikido or a solid karate system. Or perhaps Escrima if you just have to have a weapon in your hand. Or better yet the firing range.
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#295901 - 10/26/06 11:49 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Charles Mahan]
Chen Zen Offline
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Yikes Aikido? j/k Im not going to bash anyones style..today. I understand your point that some things can be garnered from it, but could these things not also be had from other weapons training such as with a knife?

As for proper instruction, I wouldnt feel right in america. Id rather l;earn it in Japan or China.
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#295902 - 10/26/06 11:54 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
Charles Mahan Offline
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Depending on your location and what you're, there is some pretty high level instruction available in the US. It is also helpful to start here so that you can obtain recommendations to take with you to instructors overseas.
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#295903 - 10/26/06 11:54 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Chen

Yeah, Charles pretty much said that there are better ways to defend yourself--I belive he specifcally suggested a gun.

Don't bring a knife to gun-fight.

Why would you want to learn a Japanese Sword Art ie JSA, in "China?????"
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#295904 - 10/26/06 12:20 PM Re: Ten years? [Re: cxt]
Chen Zen Offline
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Im not partial to JSA. Chinese people use swords too.
As for the gun suggestion, I actually mentioned it first. The only reason i mentioned a knife is because it is a cutting weapon like a sword but a little more practical in todays self defense.
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