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#295865 - 10/23/06 10:23 PM Ten years?
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I recently have done some reading and saw that it is said that it takes ten years to master the sword. Does that sound accurate. I play with a sword and some kendo sticks. While Im no master I do feel that Im better than your average stick weilding retard and thats without any formal sword training. Perhaps I look at it incorrectly but it seems to me to be a system of really only about seven movements with the weapon itself while the rest of the emphasis seems to be placed on footwork and timing.
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#295866 - 10/23/06 10:40 PM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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I have been doing Martial arts for a long time and I don't think that I will ever consider myself or feel like a master. All together with breaks in between I would say about 11 or so years with a lot of breaks!

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#295867 - 10/23/06 10:42 PM Re: Ten years? [Re: JMV34]
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I feel the same after 16 years or so with breaks. However, I still pursue it. To pursue the unattainable: the life of a true MAist.
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#295868 - 10/24/06 12:11 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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It's taken me 9 years to reach a level at which the folks at the top will finally start to notice my existence if I travel to Japan.

My instructor has been training for 26 years and at a tournament in Japan he would be one of the guys sweeping up before the competition begins.

Does that add a little perspective?
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#295869 - 10/24/06 01:21 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Sort of though it almost sounded as if you just said you would beat your Teacher in a duel.
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#295870 - 10/24/06 06:18 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Sort of though it almost sounded as if you just said you would beat your Teacher in a duel.




???
Amazing what people can read into a simple sentence.

Me 23 years or so of kendo.
My teacher 75 years of kendo (he's 85 now and still training).

The thing about the title 'master' is, "a master in whose eyes?" To a 6 kyu, I am an amazing kendo master. To a 2nd dan Japanese high school student, I'm that gaijin they want to take down. To a 4th dan, I'm not as good as they remember me being. To a 6th dan, I'm an upstart. To a 7th dan, I'm promising. To an 8th dan, "do you do kendo?"

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#295871 - 10/24/06 07:06 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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I've been practicing Japanese swordsmanship for 15 years and the more I train, the more I realize just how far I have to go. To put it simply, there is no such thing as "mastering" the sword...[insert a Tesshu doka here about woodcutters in the forest or some such thing]
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#295872 - 10/24/06 10:33 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
Charles Mahan Offline
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Sort of though it almost sounded as if you just said you would beat your Teacher in a duel.




I don't know how the image of my instructor sweeping a floor before a tournament translated into me beating him in a duel. You must have some imagination to make that leap.
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#295873 - 10/24/06 10:34 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: ichibyoshi]
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The thing about the title 'master' is, "a master in whose eyes?" To a 6 kyu, I am an amazing kendo master. To a 2nd dan Japanese high school student, I'm that gaijin they want to take down. To a 4th dan, I'm not as good as they remember me being. To a 6th dan, I'm an upstart. To a 7th dan, I'm promising. To an 8th dan, "do you do kendo?"

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#295874 - 10/24/06 10:35 AM Re: Ten years? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Chen

I guess the question is how good do want to be?

I look at the top people in most forms of athletics, they started young and trained consistantly--most college starters, in most sports have about 10 year of training.

Look how long Tiger Woods has been training.

If your not playing Tiger you have no problems--but if you are.....

Plus, I think there is a differnce between kendo and koryu.

No offense meant or implied to any kendo-ka.


Edited by cxt (10/24/06 10:42 AM)
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