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#295851 - 10/24/06 02:51 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: harlan]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
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karma = cause and effect

charma = cause for affection.

#295852 - 10/24/06 02:58 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Charmed to meet you, I'm sure.

Karma = Botchi...botched chi.

#295853 - 10/24/06 03:07 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: butterfly]
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charma = karma chameleon ?

#295854 - 10/24/06 04:06 PM Re: a style= bad karma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
trevek Offline
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I suppose it's logical in a way, but I think the guys are suggesting that this sifu is using some pseudo-mystic reason to suggest that you shouldn't do WC for reasons which are probably more unmystical.

maybe he has a grudge against WC itself, maybe there is some old style-grudge. Who knows?
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#295855 - 10/24/06 11:44 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
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Registered: 08/26/04
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Loc: Malaysia
Karma is used in Hinduism & Buddhisim to explain why some people lead and have the kind of lives they lead and have. Why some are so undeservingly fortunate, leading luxurious lives from cradle to graves and others are doomed to an unjust lifetime of misery. It is punishment / reward for the deeds of past lives. It is a kind of generational cosmic justice system which does not require an overseeing administrator judge. You just reap what you sow, if not in this life, then the next and the next and the next.

If WC (as a non-personal martial art) has a 'bad' karma and its practitioners are somehow imbued with a negative transmigrational force, then I suppose Bruce Li is a prime example. But then again look at Yip Man, his master, and thousands of others, is there a trend? Even if there is, does it prove anything? If depends on which side you're arguing on I suppose. We know which side your chemistry teacher is on.

And here is another "karmic explanation" on why some people die at a very young age, at say one or two years old or even minutes after birth. If there is ever a divine Will and Purpose to the earthly birth of a human life at all, then why take that young incognitive life away so quickly after birth which makes no logical sense.

The 'explanation' is these were people who committed suicide in their previous lives, 'illegally' ending a given life-period prematurely. And thus needing to be reborn to live out whatever is left of the previously given life-period, be it a minute or one year.
I'll rather be happy than right, anytime.

#295856 - 10/25/06 08:00 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Registered: 07/31/04
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If one does not believe in past lives/future lives...karma is a moot point.

Therefore, when something comes up that cannot be proven or disproven...I do what I damn well like...and to heck with the opinion of others.

#295857 - 10/25/06 05:59 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: harlan]
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Registered: 04/04/06
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karma = cause and effect

In my English 1101, I learned about an illogical fallacy referred to as false cause. One of the origins of it is superstition. For example, I broke a mirror this morning and that afternoon my tire went flat. For a legitimate Karmic incedent, it would have to be associated with a true cause and effect, like the example of treating people badly and then not getting any help from them because of it.
As for an art having bad Karma, It's all in the mindset of the practitioner (IMO). I don't believe in luck, so superstitious based Karma wouldn't affect me.
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#295858 - 10/26/06 03:21 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: stormbringer]
ButterflyPalm Offline

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Loc: Malaysia
Yes, we will never know; and I suppose for good reasons. If God Himself were to just set up home in my neighbourhood...well...where are the lessons to be learned about good and evil and the incentives to make the kind of choices to be made?

Speaking about instant karmic retribution, it was reported in a local newspaper a few days ago (with pictures) that a man kicked over an urn used for holding joss sticks in and on the same day was attacked by a pair of crows which swooped down on him while he was riding his bike and the crows pecked and blinded him in one eye and injuring the other.
I'll rather be happy than right, anytime.

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