FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Stretching
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
Calligraphy
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

MOTOBU
Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
0 registered (), 27 Guests and 3 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Bartfast, ZapEm, AndyLA, danacohenn, ksusanc
22906 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Dobbersky 9
AndyLA 5
futsaowingchun 4
VDJ 2
FrankyFruits 2
August
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
New Topics
Chum Kiu 2nd section applications
by futsaowingchun
08/20/14 09:54 PM
2013 World Championship Rio: The Gallery (HD)
by ergees
08/19/14 05:22 AM
Chi Sao demonstration
by futsaowingchun
08/14/14 10:57 PM
Decent Fight channel
by FrankyFruits
08/07/14 09:19 PM
2014 European Championships Cadets Athens: Videos
by ergees
08/07/14 10:00 AM
Life goes on....
by Dobbersky
08/07/14 05:59 AM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Bartfast
08/05/14 04:18 PM
Applied center line theory
by futsaowingchun
07/28/14 08:55 AM
centerline concepts
by futsaowingchun
07/14/14 10:49 PM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by Dobbersky
07/10/14 07:14 AM
Recent Posts
Chum Kiu 2nd section applications
by futsaowingchun
08/20/14 09:54 PM
2013 World Championship Rio: The Gallery (HD)
by ergees
08/19/14 05:22 AM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by VDJ
08/15/14 05:46 PM
Chi Sao demonstration
by futsaowingchun
08/14/14 10:57 PM
The Karate punch
by Dobbersky
08/12/14 05:14 AM
** Introduce Yourself! **
by Dobbersky
08/11/14 05:03 AM
Decent Fight channel
by FrankyFruits
08/07/14 09:19 PM
2014 European Championships Cadets Athens: Videos
by ergees
08/07/14 10:00 AM
Life goes on....
by Dobbersky
08/07/14 05:59 AM
A post for those who might become martial artists.
by AndyLA
08/06/14 07:25 AM
Forum Stats
22906 Members
36 Forums
35571 Topics
432473 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#295841 - 10/23/06 08:03 PM a style= bad karma?
pepto_bismol Offline
infinite kudos

Registered: 03/04/06
Posts: 480
From what I know about karma, I thought it was the actions you do in your life follow you later on in life or in your next life (when your soul is reincarnated). I have been reading a little bit about taoism and that is my most basic description of karma. But has anybody heard of their being bad karma in a group, or in a certain style?

I was discussing eastern philosophy with my chemistry teacher, and I told him how I just realized the difference between qi gong and Tai chi (one creates, one spreads+culvtivates) and he was speaking about differant types of exercisies and qi gong through different styles...

he named a few styles (choy li fut, pak mei, wing chun)

I figured I would tell him I studied wing chun, and I could tell he wasn't pleased. I guessed it was because of a local instructor (thugish guy) and I was right. I told him I study with a different instructor with a different view on wing chun.

It is almost like 2 completely different styles, and I am learning it now the way moy yat learned it from Yip Man.

My chemistry teacher insisted that wing chun had "bad karma" in it. He said "all" wing chun, not just lineages. He reccomended taking another style. Since I study MMA he said I should stick with one style and get good at it (which I think is a good way of doing things). He did say that was just his opinion though.

I was thinking if this was possible, it would be because maybe wing chun lacks the ecercises needed to spread the qi throughout your entire body. I doubt it though...

I asked him why he thought there was bad karma in Wing Chun, and he just said it's because of how a lot of wing chun practitioners he knows or heard of have had strange deaths.

Very interesting philosophy on wing chun. I am not quitting, but it is always refreshing to hear a different point of view.

I was wondering if any of you have ever heard of bad karma for an entire group or style. I always thought that it depended on the individual, but maybe there is something more to it that I can't comprehend.

He seemed secretive about his knowledge as many traditional chinese practitioners are. Leading me to believe he may study some long fist style, because long fist people and wing chun people supposedly were enemies or something (old politics that I am not concerned about)

The point of this entire post though, was does anybody believe in group karma, or karma within a style?

EDIT: Fixed spelling


Edited by pepto_bismol (10/23/06 11:31 PM)
_________________________
YAY pepto bismol! No... not... kryptonite

Top
#295842 - 10/23/06 11:23 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
ButterflyPalm Offline
Enigma

Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2637
Loc: Malaysia
You mean Karma?

If what you say is true, then all those who play or listen to music composed by Beethoven will eventually go deaf.

I advise that, if you can, change your chemistry teacher; he has more bad karma than Wing Chun.
_________________________
I'll rather be happy than right, anytime.

Top
#295843 - 10/23/06 11:32 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
pepto_bismol Offline
infinite kudos

Registered: 03/04/06
Posts: 480
Quote:

You mean Karma?

If what you say is true, then all those who play or listen to music composed by Beethoven will eventually go deaf.

I advise that, if you can, change your chemistry teacher; he has more bad karma than Wing Chun.




I'm not saying it, it's his opinion and I was asking if anybody has heard of this sort of thing.

And how does he have bad karma?
_________________________
YAY pepto bismol! No... not... kryptonite

Top
#295844 - 10/23/06 11:40 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
harlan Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
Crap. BS. Superstition.

Sounds like someone trying to 'rationalize', is some weird way, his personal bias.

Top
#295845 - 10/23/06 11:54 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
ButterflyPalm Offline
Enigma

Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2637
Loc: Malaysia
Quote:

And how does he have bad karma?




Have you heard of the legendary beginnings of the Wing Chun style?

The story goes that Yim Wing Chun (a village beauty) was to be married off to the town bully; Ms. Yim (a woman ahead of her time) of course wouldn't agree and so learned a style of combat from a nun known by her monastic name of Ng Mui ('fifth sister', meaning she was ordained fifth in line under a master)

Ms. Yim was an exceptional student with tons of natural talent for martial arts (see the other Thread) and finally in a show-down with the town bully, decisively defeated the latter.

Your chemistry teacher, if I am not mistaken and stand corrected, is THAT town bully.

He is, centuries and some incarnations later, still harbouring the shame and karma of that defeat.
_________________________
I'll rather be happy than right, anytime.

Top
#295846 - 10/24/06 01:26 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
pepto_bismol Offline
infinite kudos

Registered: 03/04/06
Posts: 480
Quote:



Have you heard of the legendary beginnings of the Wing Chun style?

The story goes that Yim Wing Chun (a village beauty) was to be married off to the town bully; Ms. Yim (a woman ahead of her time) of course wouldn't agree and so learned a style of combat from a nun known by her monastic name of Ng Mui ('fifth sister', meaning she was ordained fifth in line under a master)

Ms. Yim was an exceptional student with tons of natural talent for martial arts (see the other Thread) and finally in a show-down with the town bully, decisively defeated the latter.

Your chemistry teacher, if I am not mistaken and stand corrected, is THAT town bully.

He is, centuries and some incarnations later, still harbouring the shame and karma of that defeat.




Of course, I should of known. I am also Shania Twain reincarnated in to a 15 year old's body...

I didn't post this thread for jokes... if you don't believe in karma just say so.

I was hoping for somebody who does believe in karma to enlighten me on karma of a group if there is a such thing.

If your prefer to make jokes, then have fun.

edited to fix quote


Edited by MattJ (10/24/06 10:00 AM)
_________________________
YAY pepto bismol! No... not... kryptonite

Top
#295847 - 10/24/06 08:05 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
harlan Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
Does a mountain have karma? Does my car have karma?

If one 'believes' in karma, then anything sentient has karma...individual karma.

Perhaps it is more like my hippie friends used to say, 'It's what you bring to the party.'

Top
#295848 - 10/24/06 09:25 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: harlan]
Ed_Morris Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6768
I agree...kindof sounds like someone suggesting some lineages are 'cursed'.

and more often than not, it's based upon the personal bias of the one claiming the curse.

Top
#295849 - 10/24/06 10:21 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
ThomsonsPier Offline
Member

Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 475
Loc: Reading, UK
Quote:

if you don't believe in karma just say so.




So!

I don't believe in karma as a natural force. I would say that the semi-mystical view of karma comes from a cyclical cause/effect chain based on human interaction. For example, if you hack off enough people, eventually they'll refuse to help you do something dangerous and you'll die horribly. That's obviously a worst case scenario.
_________________________
ThomsonsPier

War. It's fan-tastic!

Top
#295850 - 10/24/06 10:27 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: ThomsonsPier]
harlan Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
karma = cause and effect

Top
#295851 - 10/24/06 02:51 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: harlan]
Ed_Morris Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6768
Quote:

karma = cause and effect



charma = cause for affection.


Top
#295852 - 10/24/06 02:58 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: Ed_Morris]
butterfly Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 3012
Loc: Torrance, CA
Charmed to meet you, I'm sure.

Karma = Botchi...botched chi.

Top
#295853 - 10/24/06 03:07 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: butterfly]
Ed_Morris Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6768
or

charma = karma chameleon ?

Top
#295854 - 10/24/06 04:06 PM Re: a style= bad karma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
trevek Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 05/15/05
Posts: 3337
Loc: Poland
pepto,

I suppose it's logical in a way, but I think the guys are suggesting that this sifu is using some pseudo-mystic reason to suggest that you shouldn't do WC for reasons which are probably more unmystical.

maybe he has a grudge against WC itself, maybe there is some old style-grudge. Who knows?
_________________________
See how well I block your punches with my jaw!!

Supporting everyone saying "nuts to cancer"

Top
#295855 - 10/24/06 11:44 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: pepto_bismol]
ButterflyPalm Offline
Enigma

Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2637
Loc: Malaysia
Karma is used in Hinduism & Buddhisim to explain why some people lead and have the kind of lives they lead and have. Why some are so undeservingly fortunate, leading luxurious lives from cradle to graves and others are doomed to an unjust lifetime of misery. It is punishment / reward for the deeds of past lives. It is a kind of generational cosmic justice system which does not require an overseeing administrator judge. You just reap what you sow, if not in this life, then the next and the next and the next.

If WC (as a non-personal martial art) has a 'bad' karma and its practitioners are somehow imbued with a negative transmigrational force, then I suppose Bruce Li is a prime example. But then again look at Yip Man, his master, and thousands of others, is there a trend? Even if there is, does it prove anything? If depends on which side you're arguing on I suppose. We know which side your chemistry teacher is on.

And here is another "karmic explanation" on why some people die at a very young age, at say one or two years old or even minutes after birth. If there is ever a divine Will and Purpose to the earthly birth of a human life at all, then why take that young incognitive life away so quickly after birth which makes no logical sense.

The 'explanation' is these were people who committed suicide in their previous lives, 'illegally' ending a given life-period prematurely. And thus needing to be reborn to live out whatever is left of the previously given life-period, be it a minute or one year.
_________________________
I'll rather be happy than right, anytime.

Top
#295856 - 10/25/06 08:00 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
harlan Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
If one does not believe in past lives/future lives...karma is a moot point.

Therefore, when something comes up that cannot be proven or disproven...I do what I damn well like...and to heck with the opinion of others.

Top
#295857 - 10/25/06 05:59 PM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: harlan]
stormbringer Offline
Extraordinaire

Registered: 04/04/06
Posts: 277
Loc: Florida
Quote:

karma = cause and effect




In my English 1101, I learned about an illogical fallacy referred to as false cause. One of the origins of it is superstition. For example, I broke a mirror this morning and that afternoon my tire went flat. For a legitimate Karmic incedent, it would have to be associated with a true cause and effect, like the example of treating people badly and then not getting any help from them because of it.
As for an art having bad Karma, It's all in the mindset of the practitioner (IMO). I don't believe in luck, so superstitious based Karma wouldn't affect me.
_________________________
Brown Belt. Should have my Black by Summer 2008. Jhoon Rhee system

Top
#295858 - 10/26/06 03:21 AM Re: a style= bad charma? [Re: stormbringer]
ButterflyPalm Offline
Enigma

Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2637
Loc: Malaysia
Yes, we will never know; and I suppose for good reasons. If God Himself were to just set up home in my neighbourhood...well...where are the lessons to be learned about good and evil and the incentives to make the kind of choices to be made?

Speaking about instant karmic retribution, it was reported in a local newspaper a few days ago (with pictures) that a man kicked over an urn used for holding joss sticks in and on the same day was attacked by a pair of crows which swooped down on him while he was riding his bike and the crows pecked and blinded him in one eye and injuring the other.
_________________________
I'll rather be happy than right, anytime.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >


Moderator:  Cord, MattJ, Reiki 




Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Monthly
Only $89
Details

Stun Guns
Variety of stun gun devices for your protection

Buy Pepper Spray
Worry about your family when you’re not around? Visit us today to protect everything you value.

Koryu.com
Accurate information on the ancient martial traditions of the Japanese samurai

C2 Taser
Protect yourself and loved ones from CRIME with the latest C2 Taser citizen model. Very effective.

 

 



Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga