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#295815 - 12/15/06 03:25 PM Re: I Hate College [Re: olga]
Saisho Offline
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Smoking is negative in every aspect. I don't think that anyone, including smokers, would say that smoking has any positive effects. Most smokers argue that it is their right to smoke and I am not saying they should be banned.

Other things, such as alcohol, can have negative effects, but also have benefits. It is understood in the health field that one drink per day for women and two for men is healthy. In fact, it was stated (I would have to look through my books to see by whom) that it is better for a man to have a couple of drinks per day than to not have any. No, you can't save them up and cash them in on the weekend

So, there is a difference between things that are bad for you and things that can be if not handled correctly. There is also a difference between something being bad for you and the right to partake in it anyway.
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#295816 - 12/15/06 03:28 PM Re: I Hate College [Re: Saisho]
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Smoking is negative in every aspect. I don't think that anyone, including smokers, would say that smoking has any positive effects. Most smokers argue that it is their right to smoke and I am not saying they should be banned.

Other things, such as alcohol, can have negative effects, but also have benefits. It is understood in the health field that one drink per day for women and two for men is healthy. In fact, it was stated (I would have to look through my books to see by whom) that it is better for a man to have a couple of drinks per day than to not have any. No, you can't save them up and cash them in on the weekend

So, there is a difference between things that are bad for you and things that can be if not handled correctly. There is also a difference between something being bad for you and the right to partake in it anyway.




Thanks for that, saved me the trouble.

*slowly steps off of anti-smoking soapbox*
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#295817 - 12/15/06 04:25 PM Re: I Hate College [Re: MattJ]
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They ban hard drugs and mariguana yet not smoking or drinking. I sense a contradiction here.
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#295818 - 12/15/06 06:05 PM Re: I Hate College [Re: Stormdragon]
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That's right, they should ban it all.



If alcohol was a new invention, developed yesterday as opposed to thousands of years ago, would it be legal? Would tobacco?
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#295819 - 12/15/06 09:41 PM Re: I Hate College [Re: JoelM]
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If alcohol was a new invention, developed yesterday as opposed to thousands of years ago, would it be legal? Would tobacco?




A valid point. Tobacco and hard drugs have no upside or health benefit. You can not live on them nor can they substitute nutritionally in any way. Alcohol is in a somewhat differrent class. In ancient cultures, fresh water was sometimes hard to find, and alcohol was considered "safer" to drink in those instances. Alcohol is very dense calorically, and could substitute for food if need be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage

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In places and eras with poor public sanitation, such as Medieval Europe, consumption of alcoholic beverages (particularly weak or "small" beer) was one method of avoiding water-borne diseases such as the cholera.




In the "modern" world with access to clean water supplies, there is less rationale for the existence of alcohol.
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#295820 - 12/15/06 09:46 PM Re: I Hate College [Re: MattJ]
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I have often told the college classes I taught that a (well made) pizza and a beer is the best meal they can have. A pizza with adequate vegetables and beef (not pork) is the only food to supply all of the essential amino acids that a person must consume. Beer has many health benefits as well.

Needless to say, my students liked that lecture.
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#295821 - 12/16/06 12:01 AM Re: I Hate College [Re: MattJ]
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Ugh, bumped thread.
Oh well, might as well update everyone.

I am now home for Christmas, first semester it out of the way. I'm coming out with a very good GPA. My grades were never good in high school, mainly because I hate busy work. I never did it, especially when it was handed out for homework. I have no interest in wasting my time. I learn something, I practice it, I memorize it, I move on. Teachers moved at too slow of a pace, and handed out work most days to keep us occupied while they drank their coffee and read the sports section.
Now that I'm in college that has changed for the most part. I plan on transferring my junior year to a better school. I plan on spending my time at this university getting all the required classes out of the way and maintaining a 3.8-4.0 GPA. I'm also taking a variety of different classes to help me decide on what I REALLY want to major in.
My dorm room still sucks. I average only a few hours of sleep a night. I deal with it though.

I'm not getting into the smoking/alcohol/drug debate again. I've done it too many times, and I really get tired of people saying things like "well why not ban cars while you're at it they kill too."
Well that's because you HAVE to drive to function in this society, you don't HAVE to drink to function.
No more though.

I'm getting an apartment next year. Found one 3 miles from the school. 680 a night. I can swing it if I work all summer. A 6 mile run to and from school each day will probably do me some good anyways.

Well, that's all I can think of to say now. There's your update.
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#295822 - 12/17/06 12:24 AM Re: I Hate College [Re: Eric4444]
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UghA 6 mile run to and from school each day will probably do me some good anyways.




I thought 'you HAVE to drive to function in this society'?



Glad you are dealing. Sorry you are not enjoying. Doubtful of your ability to judge the methods of your teachers with authority.

If you are not going to drink, at least indulge in a little humility, and possibly a little happiness?
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#295823 - 12/17/06 12:40 AM Re: I Hate College [Re: Eric4444]
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6772
sounds like you are just dealing with it instead of adapting to it.

most can deal....few learn to adapt.

you have a choice in goals: maintain a 3.8-4.0 and count the days till you're done, cursing in your mind everything and everyone along the way. or maintain a 3.8-4.0 while finding ways to enjoy the whole college experience for what it is.

We learn something about ourselves by taking risks...until you study till 2am the night before midterms, then your friends walk in and drag you to an all-nighter party and drink till 6 - take the test the next morning at 8am with no sleep in a fog of alcohol....and land an A-

now THAT is getting the FULL college experience. lol

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#295824 - 12/17/06 12:41 AM Re: I Hate College [Re: MattJ]
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Registered: 08/10/06
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Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
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In the "modern" world with access to clean water supplies, there is less rationale for the existence of alcohol.


Alcohol is not good for you, its just something that people enjoy. and if in the correct amount it does no harm. Thats why its legal. If we banned everything with all negative effects we wouldnt have coke..junk food etc. Its just because people enjoy it that its still around, no other reason
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