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#295736 - 10/24/06 09:52 PM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: Chen Zen]
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True that a broader strike may be more accurate on a large target. But just like there is a diference in penetration between a regular fist and a one knuckle strike, the purpose is in penetration. You will have pain on a much deeper scale with a more precise strike with a small weapon, like the tip of a bo, or the foreknuckle of your fist.
And yes , many kata do contain sand flickng with the feet. But you need to understand also that some bo katas can be done with an Eku ( oar). the paddle of the oar works tremendously in this manner.
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#295737 - 10/24/06 11:13 PM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: Chatan1979]
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I agree that you do want that penetration. I stab with a bo just not the feet. I lean more towards the chest or head.I would stab the foot with a sai, but not in the sense that most people just thought of. As for the oar or paddle, would that not change the physics of the movements since the weapon is no longer balanced like a bo? Also i could see trapping the foot or slapping it being much easier with something narrow in thickness but broad in width like a paddle.
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#295738 - 10/24/06 11:18 PM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: Chen Zen]
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Actually a well made Eku (oar), not just a regular canoe oar, will have very good balance. An oar is sometimes called the advanced bo because it still has all the elements of a bo, but with the paddle yoo have a broader surface, but you can also cut with the edge. I have seen video of bamboo tameshira wari with the oar. Where the eku cut right through the wood like a blade. You work with what you have.
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#295739 - 10/24/06 11:44 PM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: Chatan1979]
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Yamani? The second kata looks nothing like the Yamani Ryu I have been exposed to. Matsubayashi Ryu has a close link to the Yamani Ryu style of bojutsu and that kata may have sequence and basic techniques similar to a kata by Chinen, but it bears no resemblance to Yamani Ryu. The other two are sai and tonfa and I believe Toshiro Oshiro was the one who created them as he tried to apply principles of Yamani Ryu Bojutsu to the other okinwan weapons, but classicaly there was only bojutsu in Yamani Ryu.

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#295740 - 10/25/06 12:03 AM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: Chatan1979]
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So instead of stabbing or trapping the foot I could cut off the toes? Sounds great!
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#295741 - 10/25/06 04:55 PM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: Chen Zen]
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The Chuon no kon resembles the Matayoshi form, but not an exact version. It is simplified/modified in several area's. Maybe it's from another school with the same roots as Matayoshi's version or a modified version for own use.

As for stabbing the foot with the bo, it's a very common technique in bo an quite suprising when applied to you. There is almost no body movement although the bo thusts about 100cm forward.

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#295742 - 10/26/06 12:13 AM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: CVV]
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I admit, I would be amazed if it hit.
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#295743 - 10/26/06 07:28 AM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: Chen Zen]
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Watch the video clip here.
http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/023/eng/013/004/index.html

And CVV, I am aware of the Matyoshi version of Choun no Kun. In fact we practice the Matayoshi, and the Yamani version.
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#295744 - 10/26/06 10:19 PM Re: Yamane-ryu Bo katas [Re: Chatan1979]
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Nice stuff
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